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The limitations of science say nothing about atheism or theism. However, the metaphysics of science firmly rest on the notion that things do happen for reasons
by User23 2y ago
The limitations of science say nothing about atheism or theism. However, the metaphysics of science firmly rest on the notion that things do happen for reasons and that those reasons are potentially knowable.
The rationalist view says that there are reasons for why the universe exists, why stars and planets exist, why life exists, and why occasionally intelligent life such as ourselves exists. That there are atheists who still hold the rationalist position is unsurprising, since it’s quite common for people to hold unexamined contradictory beliefs.
Certainly you can get to the monotheistic God from there, but there are plenty of other alternatives that avoid the things happened for no reason at all problem, such as panpsychism just to name one.
- FrustratedMonky 2y ago"rationalist view says that there are reasons for why the universe exists" That might be some sub-set of some narrow band of 'rationalist'. But it is not a common viewpoint of atheist. So guess your point, that atheist aren't rational, using a narrow definition of 'rational' I'd say the more common view atheist is that there are no 'reasons'. It is all physical processes, with no 'reason' behind it at all. It's all just cause and effect, the billiard ball universe. Quarks/Electrons/atoms/molecules. All just interacting with no 'reason'. I think the nature of this argument wasn't with this view of universe, it was with which people you were attributing that did believe this way.
- User23 2y agoWhy is there cause and effect? Oh, right, for no reason at all. That doesn’t sound like a rational position to me.
- FrustratedMonky 2y agoWell at the point where you are going to question the flow of time, or why any law of physics exists. Then also, why even use words. What words have any meaning. What does the word 'rational' even mean. What is a 'question' to begin with. This seems more like category errors, or applying words from one level of meaning to another level. If you are going to go go that far, then nothing even exists to discuss.