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> That said, there is a night and day difference between FSD 12.3 that you experienced earlier this year and the latest version 12.6 >And I don't even have 12.

> That said, there is a night and day difference between FSD 12.3 that you experienced earlier this year and the latest version 12.6 >And I don't even have 12.6 yet, this is still 12.5; How am i supposed to take anything you say seriously when your only claim is a personal anecdote that doesn't even apply to your own argument. Please, think about what you're writing, and please stop repeating information you heard on youtube as if it's fact. The is one of the reasons (among many) that I can't take Tesla booster seriously. I have absolutely zero faith in your anecdote that you didn't touch the steering wheel. I bet it's a lie.

modeless 2y ago
The version I have is already a night and day difference from 12.3 and the current version is better still. Nothing I said is contradictory in the slightest. Apply some basic reasoning, please. I didn't say I didn't touch the steering wheel. I had my hands lightly touching it most of the time, as one should for safety. I occasionally used the controls on the wheel as well as the accelerator pedal to adjust the set speed, and I used the turn signal to suggest lane changes from time to time, though most lane choices were made automatically. But I did not turn the wheel. All turning was performed by the system. (If you turn the wheel manually the system disengages). Other than parking, as I mentioned, though FSD did handle some navigation into and inside parking lots.
eric_cc 2y ago
I can second this experience. I rarely touch the wheel anymore. I’d say I’m 98% FSD. I take over in school zones, parking lots, and complex construction.
jsjohnst 2y ago
> I have absolutely zero faith in your anecdote that you didn't touch the steering wheel. I bet it's a lie. I’m not GP, but I can share video showing it driving across residential, city, highway, and even gravel roads all in a single trip without touching the steering wheel a single time over a 90min trip (using 12.5.4.1).
- jsjohnst 2y ago
  And if someone wants to claim I’m cherry picking the video, happy to shoot a new video with this post visible on an iPad in the seat next to me. Is it autonomous? Hell no. Can it drive in Manhattan? Nope. But can it do >80% of my regular city (suburb outside nyc) and highway driving, yep.
  - lucianbr 2y ago
    It's so obviously cherry-picking, I have no idea what you are even thinking. To not be cherry-picking would mean that it's actually ready and works fine in all situations, and there's no way Musk would not shout that out from rooftops and sell it yesterday. Obviously it works some time on some roads, but not all the time on all the roads. A film with it when it works on the road it works is cherry-picking. Look up what the term means.
    - jsjohnst 2y ago
      > To not be cherry-picking would mean that it's actually ready and works fine in all situations A claim I never made in any of my posts. What a way to straw man and fail! ;) Way to cherry pick yourself into the one cherry picked claim I never actually made!

modeless 2y ago

The version I have is already a night and day difference from 12.3 and the current version is better still. Nothing I said is contradictory in the slightest. Apply some basic reasoning, please. I didn't say I didn't touch the steering wheel. I had my hands lightly touching it most of the time, as one should for safety. I occasionally used the controls on the wheel as well as the accelerator pedal to adjust the set speed, and I used the turn signal to suggest lane changes from time to time, though most lane choices were made automatically. But I did not turn the wheel. All turning was performed by the system. (If you turn the wheel manually the system disengages). Other than parking, as I mentioned, though FSD did handle some navigation into and inside parking lots.

eric_cc 2y ago

I can second this experience. I rarely touch the wheel anymore. I’d say I’m 98% FSD. I take over in school zones, parking lots, and complex construction.

jsjohnst 2y ago

> I have absolutely zero faith in your anecdote that you didn't touch the steering wheel. I bet it's a lie. I’m not GP, but I can share video showing it driving across residential, city, highway, and even gravel roads all in a single trip without touching the steering wheel a single time over a 90min trip (using 12.5.4.1).

jsjohnst 2y ago
And if someone wants to claim I’m cherry picking the video, happy to shoot a new video with this post visible on an iPad in the seat next to me. Is it autonomous? Hell no. Can it drive in Manhattan? Nope. But can it do >80% of my regular city (suburb outside nyc) and highway driving, yep.
- lucianbr 2y ago
  It's so obviously cherry-picking, I have no idea what you are even thinking. To not be cherry-picking would mean that it's actually ready and works fine in all situations, and there's no way Musk would not shout that out from rooftops and sell it yesterday. Obviously it works some time on some roads, but not all the time on all the roads. A film with it when it works on the road it works is cherry-picking. Look up what the term means.
  - jsjohnst 2y ago
    > To not be cherry-picking would mean that it's actually ready and works fine in all situations A claim I never made in any of my posts. What a way to straw man and fail! ;) Way to cherry pick yourself into the one cherry picked claim I never actually made!