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You can search NewEgg or Amazon for "Business TV" or "Commercial TV" and they will almost all be "dumb" TVs. They are readily available.

ska 2y ago
Readily available at a good premium. You can sometimes get a great deal on these during liquidation though.
- stavros 2y ago
  Nope, you're getting the ad-infested TVs for a good discount.
  - kibwen 2y ago
    Well, they're at a discount if your privacy has no value.
    - avmich 2y ago
      You have to decide what's more valuable to you - an extra chunk of money or the privacy which is endangered with the cheaper option.
      - account42 2y ago
        You do not get to decide because privacy concious options are simply not available at the high end. You'd also need to significantly compromise on quality.
    - stavros 2y ago
      No, they're at a discount period. They're sold for less money.
  - rowanG077 2y ago
    I really doubt manufacturer lose money on smart tv sales.
    - water-your-self 2y ago
      I wanted to find a reputable source to back up this claim but instead I found a link from the atlantic. I did not read it, its behind a paywall and its not peer reviewed. The general concensus is that smart = subsidized by adware https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/01/smart-tvs-sony-lg-cheap/672614/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/01/smart...
      - gradstudent 2y ago
        > I did not read it, its behind a paywall Browse to the article, click reader mode, click refresh. Might need to be in a private window, in case of cookie shenanigans.
      - rowanG077 2y ago
        The link simply states that they make a lot of money from the malware on TVs, something I'm not disputing. I am disputing that if I would buy a TV burn it without ever turning it on they manufacturer would lose money. In essence: The ads are simply pure profit on top of the TV sale.
        therealdrag0 2y ago
        I literally only use my smart tv with external devices. There’s no TV ads I see.
        account42 2y ago
        Cool bro. How does this relate to the discussion about whether smart TVs are sold below cost though?
  - ska 2y ago
    Are you claiming that the delta is entirely covered by the fees payed to manufacturers to add apps, ads, etc?
    - stavros 2y ago
      Yes, how else would it be covered?
      - ska 2y ago
        By increased margins? Common enough when your target market is not consumer.
        snowe2010 2y ago
        Then the equivalent business tvs with no apps wouldn’t be thousands of dollars more.
        ska 2y ago
        This is backwards, increased margin would allow exactly that without all of it being covered by increased cogs.
- dylan604 2y ago
  > Readily available at a good premium. You have this backwards. The consumer "smart" units are subsidized by the monetization of the data they hoover up as you use it. This subsidized price has become accepted as normal price, but they clearly are discounted prices. Yeah yeah, economy of scale on consumer vs prosumer+ units, but if you really believe that is the sole reason you are sorely mistaken
  - account42 2y ago
    You are assuming that consumer electronic devices are sold at cost and not at whatever markup that the manufactuer thinks they can get away with.
epcoa 2y ago
And they are invariably inferior to the latest models of higher end consumer TVs for movies and gaming. Older panels, poorer contrast ratio, if they even support HDR or VRR. For even partial feature parity they will be thousands more in cost. Outdoor and digital signage panels are great for their intended purpose only. Show me the commercial equivalent to the LG G4. And even these commercial TVs may be “dumber” but they still have firmware and it can still have some of the same nuisances. Meanwhile you can opt out of most shit on the smart TV and just not leave it connected.
- mhuffman 2y ago
  >Show me the commercial equivalent to the LG G4. I am not an expert, but this[0] looks like a commercial equivalent. And on my searches seems to be less expensive (although both are quite expensive) [0]https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16889356840 https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16889356840
  - epcoa 2y ago
    You must have pasted the wrong link, or are yanking my chain. (SAMSUNG 65-Inch Class OLED 4K S95B Series Quantum HDR TV(QN65S95BAFXZA, 2022 Model) Nothing about this is aimed towards commercial: https://www.samsung.com/latin_en/tvs/oled-tv/s95b-65-inch-oled-4k-smart-tv-qn65s95bafxza/ https://www.samsung.com/latin_en/tvs/oled-tv/s95b-65-inch-ol... That is a 2.5 year old model (out of stock on Newegg), standard high end consumer smart TV, not sure why you think otherwise: “ Amazon Alexa Compatible / Bixby Compatible / DLNA / Dolby Atmos / FreeSync (AMD Adaptive Sync) / Google Assistant Compatible / High Dynamic Range (HDR) / Mountable / Samsung SmartThings Compatible SMART TV WITH MULTIPLE VOICE ASSISTANTS: This TV comes with your favorite voice assistants built-in and ready to help. Choose from Bixby, Amazon Alexa, or Google Assistant” It’s less expensive than a G4 because it’s is generations older than a G4. Samsung is now on the S95D.
    - mhuffman 2y ago
      Yes, I did paste the wrong link. Sorry about that. I meant to paste this one[0] However, there are other options available with oled, AI upscaling, etc. They are sold as "business displays" or similar, and can be expensive, but is exactly what a lot of people want instead of a "smart" TV. [0]https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=QB65R https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=QB65R

ska 2y ago

Readily available at a good premium. You can sometimes get a great deal on these during liquidation though.

stavros 2y ago
Nope, you're getting the ad-infested TVs for a good discount.
- kibwen 2y ago
  Well, they're at a discount if your privacy has no value.
  - avmich 2y ago
    You have to decide what's more valuable to you - an extra chunk of money or the privacy which is endangered with the cheaper option.
    - account42 2y ago
      You do not get to decide because privacy concious options are simply not available at the high end. You'd also need to significantly compromise on quality.
  - stavros 2y ago
    No, they're at a discount period. They're sold for less money.
- rowanG077 2y ago
  I really doubt manufacturer lose money on smart tv sales.
  - water-your-self 2y ago
    I wanted to find a reputable source to back up this claim but instead I found a link from the atlantic. I did not read it, its behind a paywall and its not peer reviewed. The general concensus is that smart = subsidized by adware https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/01/smart-tvs-sony-lg-cheap/672614/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/01/smart...
    - gradstudent 2y ago
      > I did not read it, its behind a paywall Browse to the article, click reader mode, click refresh. Might need to be in a private window, in case of cookie shenanigans.
    - rowanG077 2y ago
      The link simply states that they make a lot of money from the malware on TVs, something I'm not disputing. I am disputing that if I would buy a TV burn it without ever turning it on they manufacturer would lose money. In essence: The ads are simply pure profit on top of the TV sale.
      - therealdrag0 2y ago
        I literally only use my smart tv with external devices. There’s no TV ads I see.
        account42 2y ago
        Cool bro. How does this relate to the discussion about whether smart TVs are sold below cost though?
- ska 2y ago
  Are you claiming that the delta is entirely covered by the fees payed to manufacturers to add apps, ads, etc?
  - stavros 2y ago
    Yes, how else would it be covered?
    - ska 2y ago
      By increased margins? Common enough when your target market is not consumer.
      - snowe2010 2y ago
        Then the equivalent business tvs with no apps wouldn’t be thousands of dollars more.
        ska 2y ago
        This is backwards, increased margin would allow exactly that without all of it being covered by increased cogs.
dylan604 2y ago
> Readily available at a good premium. You have this backwards. The consumer "smart" units are subsidized by the monetization of the data they hoover up as you use it. This subsidized price has become accepted as normal price, but they clearly are discounted prices. Yeah yeah, economy of scale on consumer vs prosumer+ units, but if you really believe that is the sole reason you are sorely mistaken
- account42 2y ago
  You are assuming that consumer electronic devices are sold at cost and not at whatever markup that the manufactuer thinks they can get away with.

epcoa 2y ago

And they are invariably inferior to the latest models of higher end consumer TVs for movies and gaming. Older panels, poorer contrast ratio, if they even support HDR or VRR. For even partial feature parity they will be thousands more in cost. Outdoor and digital signage panels are great for their intended purpose only. Show me the commercial equivalent to the LG G4. And even these commercial TVs may be “dumber” but they still have firmware and it can still have some of the same nuisances. Meanwhile you can opt out of most shit on the smart TV and just not leave it connected.

mhuffman 2y ago
>Show me the commercial equivalent to the LG G4. I am not an expert, but this[0] looks like a commercial equivalent. And on my searches seems to be less expensive (although both are quite expensive) [0]https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16889356840 https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16889356840
- epcoa 2y ago
  You must have pasted the wrong link, or are yanking my chain. (SAMSUNG 65-Inch Class OLED 4K S95B Series Quantum HDR TV(QN65S95BAFXZA, 2022 Model) Nothing about this is aimed towards commercial: https://www.samsung.com/latin_en/tvs/oled-tv/s95b-65-inch-oled-4k-smart-tv-qn65s95bafxza/ https://www.samsung.com/latin_en/tvs/oled-tv/s95b-65-inch-ol... That is a 2.5 year old model (out of stock on Newegg), standard high end consumer smart TV, not sure why you think otherwise: “ Amazon Alexa Compatible / Bixby Compatible / DLNA / Dolby Atmos / FreeSync (AMD Adaptive Sync) / Google Assistant Compatible / High Dynamic Range (HDR) / Mountable / Samsung SmartThings Compatible SMART TV WITH MULTIPLE VOICE ASSISTANTS: This TV comes with your favorite voice assistants built-in and ready to help. Choose from Bixby, Amazon Alexa, or Google Assistant” It’s less expensive than a G4 because it’s is generations older than a G4. Samsung is now on the S95D.
  - mhuffman 2y ago
    Yes, I did paste the wrong link. Sorry about that. I meant to paste this one[0] However, there are other options available with oled, AI upscaling, etc. They are sold as "business displays" or similar, and can be expensive, but is exactly what a lot of people want instead of a "smart" TV. [0]https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=QB65R https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=QB65R