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The difference is that Tesla has a general algorithm, while Waymo is hard coding scenarios. I never really got why people bring Waymo up every time Tesla’s FSD

by valval 2y ago

The difference is that Tesla has a general algorithm, while Waymo is hard coding scenarios. I never really got why people bring Waymo up every time Tesla’s FSD is mentioned. Waymo isn’t competing with Tesla’s vision.

porphyra 2y ago
Waymo uses a learned planner and is far from "hardcoded". In any case, imo both of these can be true: * Tesla FSD works surprisingly well and improving capabilities to hands free actual autonomy isn't as far fetched as one might think. * Waymo beat them to robotaxi deployment and scaling up to multiple cities may not be as hard as people say. It seems that self driving car fans are way too tribal and seem to be convinced that the "other side" sucks and is guaranteed to fail. In reality, it is very unclear as both strategies have their merits and only time will tell in the long run.
- UltraSane 2y ago
  " Tesla FSD works surprisingly well and improving capabilities to hands free actual autonomy isn't as far fetched as one might think" Except FSD doesn't work surprisingly well and there is no way it will get as good as Waymo using vision-only. "It seems that self driving car fans are way too tribal and seem to be convinced that the "other side" sucks and is guaranteed to fail." I'm not being tribal, I'm being realistic based on the very public performance of both systems. If Musk was serious about his Robotaxi claims then Tesla would be operating very differently. Instead it is pretty obvious it all a con to inflate Tesla shares beyond all reason.
UltraSane 2y ago
The difference is that Waymo has a very well engineered system using vision, LIDAR, and millimeter wave RADAR that works well enough in limited areas to provide tens of thousands of actual driver-less rides. Tesla has a vision only system that sucks so bad a human has to be ready to take over for it at any time like a parent monitoring a toddler near stairs.
- valval 2y ago
  Wait until you hear Waymo has people ready to step in with remote controls at all times.
  - UltraSane 2y ago
    NO. Waymo cars are never remote-controlled. Remote controlling cars in traffic is too dangerous do to latency severely limited. What Waymo does is have operators provide hints. At no time is the autonomous system ever disabled. Just another example of how much better engineered Waymo is than Tesla's FSD scam.

by valval 2y ago

porphyra 2y ago

Waymo uses a learned planner and is far from "hardcoded". In any case, imo both of these can be true: * Tesla FSD works surprisingly well and improving capabilities to hands free actual autonomy isn't as far fetched as one might think. * Waymo beat them to robotaxi deployment and scaling up to multiple cities may not be as hard as people say. It seems that self driving car fans are way too tribal and seem to be convinced that the "other side" sucks and is guaranteed to fail. In reality, it is very unclear as both strategies have their merits and only time will tell in the long run.

UltraSane 2y ago
" Tesla FSD works surprisingly well and improving capabilities to hands free actual autonomy isn't as far fetched as one might think" Except FSD doesn't work surprisingly well and there is no way it will get as good as Waymo using vision-only. "It seems that self driving car fans are way too tribal and seem to be convinced that the "other side" sucks and is guaranteed to fail." I'm not being tribal, I'm being realistic based on the very public performance of both systems. If Musk was serious about his Robotaxi claims then Tesla would be operating very differently. Instead it is pretty obvious it all a con to inflate Tesla shares beyond all reason.

UltraSane 2y ago

The difference is that Waymo has a very well engineered system using vision, LIDAR, and millimeter wave RADAR that works well enough in limited areas to provide tens of thousands of actual driver-less rides. Tesla has a vision only system that sucks so bad a human has to be ready to take over for it at any time like a parent monitoring a toddler near stairs.

valval 2y ago
Wait until you hear Waymo has people ready to step in with remote controls at all times.
- UltraSane 2y ago
  NO. Waymo cars are never remote-controlled. Remote controlling cars in traffic is too dangerous do to latency severely limited. What Waymo does is have operators provide hints. At no time is the autonomous system ever disabled. Just another example of how much better engineered Waymo is than Tesla's FSD scam.