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I think we should not be satisfied with merely “better than a human”. Flying is so safe precisely because we treat any casualty as unacceptable. We should aspir

• aantix 2y ago
  Before FSD is allowed on public roads? It’s a net positive, saving lives right now.
• cubefox 2y ago
  > I think we should not be satisfied with merely “better than a human”. The question is whether you want to outlaw automatic driving just because the system is, say, "only" 50% safer than us.
• kelnos 2y ago
  I don't think the question was what we should be satisfied with or what we should aspire to. I absolutely agree with you that we should strive to make autonomous driving as safe as airline travel. But the question was when should we allow autonomous driving on our public roads. And I think "when it's at least as safe as the median human driver" is a reasonable threshold. (The thing about Tesla FSD is that it -- unsupervised -- would probably fall super short of that metric. FSD needs to be supervised to be safer than the median human driver, assuming that's evn currently the case, and not every driver is going to be equally good at supervising it.)
• josephcsible 2y ago
  Aspire to, yes. But if we say "we're going to ban FSD until it's perfect, even though it already saves lives relative to the average human driver", you're making automobiles less safe.