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The description has me wondering if this was definitely a case where FSD was being used. There have been other cases in the past where drivers had an accident a

The description has me wondering if this was definitely a case where FSD was being used. There have been other cases in the past where drivers had an accident and claimed they were using autopilot when they actually were not. I don't know for sure, but I would think that the car could detect a collision. I also don't know for sure, but I would think that FSD would stop once a collision has been detected.

bastawhiz 2y ago
Did the article say the Tesla didn't stop after the collision?
- jfoster 2y ago
  If it hit the vehicle and then hit one of the people who had exited the vehicle with enough force for it to result in a fatality, it sounds like it might not have applied any braking. Of course, that depends on the speed it was traveling at to begin with.
pell 2y ago
> There have been other cases in the past where drivers had an accident and claimed they were using autopilot when they actually were not. Wouldn’t this be protocoled by the event data recorder?
FireBeyond 2y ago
> FSD would stop once a collision has been detected. Fun fact, at least until very recently, if not even to this moment, AEB (emergency braking) is not a part of FSD.
- modeless 2y ago
  I believe AEB can trigger even while FSD is active. Certainly I have seen the forward collision warning trigger during FSD.
danans 2y ago
> There have been other cases in the past where drivers had an accident and claimed they were using autopilot when they actually were not. If that were the case here, there wouldn't be a government probe, right? It would be a normal "multi car pileup with a fatality" and added to statistics. With the strong incentive on the part of both the driver and Tesla to lie about this, there should strong regulations around event data recorders [1] for self driving systems, and huge penalties for violating those. A search across that site doesn't return a hit for the word "retention" but it's gotta be expressed in some way there. 1. https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-49/subtitle-B/chapter-V/part-563 https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-49/subtitle-B/chapter-V/p...

bastawhiz 2y ago

Did the article say the Tesla didn't stop after the collision?

jfoster 2y ago
If it hit the vehicle and then hit one of the people who had exited the vehicle with enough force for it to result in a fatality, it sounds like it might not have applied any braking. Of course, that depends on the speed it was traveling at to begin with.

pell 2y ago

> There have been other cases in the past where drivers had an accident and claimed they were using autopilot when they actually were not. Wouldn’t this be protocoled by the event data recorder?

FireBeyond 2y ago

> FSD would stop once a collision has been detected. Fun fact, at least until very recently, if not even to this moment, AEB (emergency braking) is not a part of FSD.

modeless 2y ago
I believe AEB can trigger even while FSD is active. Certainly I have seen the forward collision warning trigger during FSD.

danans 2y ago

> There have been other cases in the past where drivers had an accident and claimed they were using autopilot when they actually were not. If that were the case here, there wouldn't be a government probe, right? It would be a normal "multi car pileup with a fatality" and added to statistics. With the strong incentive on the part of both the driver and Tesla to lie about this, there should strong regulations around event data recorders [1] for self driving systems, and huge penalties for violating those. A search across that site doesn't return a hit for the word "retention" but it's gotta be expressed in some way there. 1. https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-49/subtitle-B/chapter-V/part-563 https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-49/subtitle-B/chapter-V/p...