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That is the correct use of pedestrian as a noun.

by neom 2y ago

echoangle 2y ago
Sometimes using a word correctly is still confusing because it’s used in a different context 90% of the time.
szundi 2y ago
I think parent commenter emphasized the context. Leaving out context that would otherwise change the interpretation of most or targeted people is the main way to misled those people without technically lying.
- neom 2y ago
  I mean it's the literal language they use in the report[1]. Personally, would much prefer a publication to be technically correct, a person on foot on a motorway is referred to as a pedestrian, that is the name for that. [1]https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2024/INOA-PE24031-23232.pdf https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2024/INOA-PE24031-23232.pdf
Moombla 2y ago
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varenc 2y ago
By a stricter definition, a pedestrian is one who travels by foot. Of course, they are walking, but they’re traveling via their car, so by some interpretations you wouldn’t call them a pedestrian. You could call them a “motorist” or a “stranded vehicle occupant”. For understanding the accident it does seem meaningful that they were motorists that got out of their car on a highway and not pedestrians at a street crossing. (Still inexcusable of course, but changes the context)
- bastawhiz 2y ago
  Cars and drivers ideally shouldn't hit people who exited their vehicles after an accident on a highway. Identifying and avoiding hazards is part of driving.
- neom 2y ago
  As far as I am aware, pes doesn't carry an inherent meaning of travel. Pedestrian just means foot on, they don't need to be moving, they're just not in carriage. As an aside, distinguishing a person's mode of presence is precisely what reports aim to capture. (I also do tend to avoid this level of pedantry, the points here are all well taken to be clear. I do think the original poster was fine in their comment, I was just sayin' - but this isn't a cross I would die on :))
sebzim4500 2y ago
That's why he said misleading rather than an outright lie. He is not disputing that it is techincally correct to refer to the deceased as a pedestrian, but this scenario (someone out of their car on a freeway) is not what is going to spring to the mind of someone just reading the headline.

That is the correct use of pedestrian as a noun.

by neom 2y ago

That is the correct use of pedestrian as a noun.

echoangle 2y ago

Sometimes using a word correctly is still confusing because it’s used in a different context 90% of the time.

szundi 2y ago

I think parent commenter emphasized the context. Leaving out context that would otherwise change the interpretation of most or targeted people is the main way to misled those people without technically lying.

neom 2y ago
I mean it's the literal language they use in the report[1]. Personally, would much prefer a publication to be technically correct, a person on foot on a motorway is referred to as a pedestrian, that is the name for that. [1]https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2024/INOA-PE24031-23232.pdf https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2024/INOA-PE24031-23232.pdf

Moombla 2y ago

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varenc 2y ago

By a stricter definition, a pedestrian is one who travels by foot. Of course, they are walking, but they’re traveling via their car, so by some interpretations you wouldn’t call them a pedestrian. You could call them a “motorist” or a “stranded vehicle occupant”. For understanding the accident it does seem meaningful that they were motorists that got out of their car on a highway and not pedestrians at a street crossing. (Still inexcusable of course, but changes the context)

bastawhiz 2y ago
Cars and drivers ideally shouldn't hit people who exited their vehicles after an accident on a highway. Identifying and avoiding hazards is part of driving.
neom 2y ago
As far as I am aware, pes doesn't carry an inherent meaning of travel. Pedestrian just means foot on, they don't need to be moving, they're just not in carriage. As an aside, distinguishing a person's mode of presence is precisely what reports aim to capture. (I also do tend to avoid this level of pedantry, the points here are all well taken to be clear. I do think the original poster was fine in their comment, I was just sayin' - but this isn't a cross I would die on :))

sebzim4500 2y ago

That's why he said misleading rather than an outright lie. He is not disputing that it is techincally correct to refer to the deceased as a pedestrian, but this scenario (someone out of their car on a freeway) is not what is going to spring to the mind of someone just reading the headline.