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I get that the writer of this article is great friends with Philip but I think it’s not fair to mention the Stanford Prison Experiment and then not mention the

by yapyap 2y ago

I get that the writer of this article is great friends with Philip but I think it’s not fair to mention the Stanford Prison Experiment and then not mention the fact that it turned out to be a sham study. https://scribe.usc.edu/the-stanford-prison-experiment-a-sham-study/ https://scribe.usc.edu/the-stanford-prison-experiment-a-sham...

BeetleB 2y ago
He responded to many of the accusations here: https://www.prisonexp.org/response https://www.prisonexp.org/response
armoredkitten 2y ago
Not to mention the article says it "was also instrumental in changing how people are treated during psychological research" -- Uhh, yeah, because the lack of ethical safeguards in the study became a major issue and we realized we needed to correct that. You don't get credit for ethics reforms by being the unethical person.
ffujdefvjg 2y ago
SPE was fraud, he told the guards to act like "tough guards" and then said publicly “the guards were given no specific instruction or training on how to be guards," which is what made it probably the most famous psychology study of all time. https://gen.medium.com/the-lifespan-of-a-lie-d869212b1f62 https://gen.medium.com/the-lifespan-of-a-lie-d869212b1f62 https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/6/14/17464516/stanford-prison-experiment-audio https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/6/14/17464516/st...
- robjwells 2y ago
  Archive link for Ben Blum’s article: https://archive.ph/kn1Eb https://archive.ph/kn1Eb The two scientists who conducted “The BBC Prison Study” in the early 2000s wrote about the revelations in the Zimbardo archive material here: https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/time-change-story https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/time-change-story Thibault Le Texier, whose book History of a Lie brought this information to light, wrote a summary paper in the American Psychologist: https://letexier.org/IMG/pdf/LeTexier_Debunking-the-SPE_American-Psychologist_2019.pdf https://letexier.org/IMG/pdf/LeTexier_Debunking-the-SPE_Amer...
- CamperBob2 2y ago
  As if real prison guards in oppressive regimes spend a lot of time in ethics classes. The idea behind SPE was not to ask if something could happen or how it should happen, but to ask how something did happen. It achieved the results it was intended to achieve, as did the similarly-"discredited" work by Milgram. The conclusion in both cases was inescapable: if you order someone to commit an atrocity and they refuse, all you have to do is to ask the next person in line. You won't have to go very far or wait very long.
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by yapyap 2y ago

BeetleB 2y ago

He responded to many of the accusations here: https://www.prisonexp.org/response https://www.prisonexp.org/response

armoredkitten 2y ago

Not to mention the article says it "was also instrumental in changing how people are treated during psychological research" -- Uhh, yeah, because the lack of ethical safeguards in the study became a major issue and we realized we needed to correct that. You don't get credit for ethics reforms by being the unethical person.

ffujdefvjg 2y ago

SPE was fraud, he told the guards to act like "tough guards" and then said publicly “the guards were given no specific instruction or training on how to be guards," which is what made it probably the most famous psychology study of all time. https://gen.medium.com/the-lifespan-of-a-lie-d869212b1f62 https://gen.medium.com/the-lifespan-of-a-lie-d869212b1f62 https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/6/14/17464516/stanford-prison-experiment-audio https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/6/14/17464516/st...

robjwells 2y ago
Archive link for Ben Blum’s article: https://archive.ph/kn1Eb https://archive.ph/kn1Eb The two scientists who conducted “The BBC Prison Study” in the early 2000s wrote about the revelations in the Zimbardo archive material here: https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/time-change-story https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/time-change-story Thibault Le Texier, whose book History of a Lie brought this information to light, wrote a summary paper in the American Psychologist: https://letexier.org/IMG/pdf/LeTexier_Debunking-the-SPE_American-Psychologist_2019.pdf https://letexier.org/IMG/pdf/LeTexier_Debunking-the-SPE_Amer...
CamperBob2 2y ago
As if real prison guards in oppressive regimes spend a lot of time in ethics classes. The idea behind SPE was not to ask if something could happen or how it should happen, but to ask how something did happen. It achieved the results it was intended to achieve, as did the similarly-"discredited" work by Milgram. The conclusion in both cases was inescapable: if you order someone to commit an atrocity and they refuse, all you have to do is to ask the next person in line. You won't have to go very far or wait very long.
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