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In India your new employer demands "leaving certificate". This is an official letter from previous letter that you are no longer employed with them. An existin

In India your new employer demands "leaving certificate". This is an official letter from previous letter that you are no longer employed with them. An existing employer can weaponize this and simply not issue this letter. This does not happen in India but I am not sure if this the case in Japan though.

logicchains 2y ago
What possible justification is there for that? How did the country of Gandhi get to the point where humans are treated like corporate property?
- mritun 2y ago
  Same thing happened that has the cooks and gardeners beholden to non-compete agreements in the land of the free! Greed is universal. Slavery is one of the outcomes.
- devnull3 2y ago
  The less said about Gandhi the better. He had an amazing PR in the age when there was no concept of PR. The world has always been divide on: Owners and workers. This transcends communism and capitalism. Owners always wants more work out of workers. Owners unknowingly or knowingly behave as if they own the people. This was literally true when slavery was widespread. Even in western countries we find the unwritten understanding between Steve Jobs and Eric Schmidt not to poach each other's engineers [1]. Where is a the "free hand of markets" here? Does it not limit the career opportunities for employees? Activision Blizzard, one of the top AAA game developer had huge culture problems. There is a lawsuit as well [2] How is it in the land of free and ideals of Martin Luther King and Abraham Lincoln get to a point where humans are treated like corporate property? [1] https://www.theverge.com/2012/1/27/2753701/no-poach-scandal-unredacted-steve-jobs-eric-schmidt-paul-otellini https://www.theverge.com/2012/1/27/2753701/no-poach-scandal-... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Department_of_Fair_Employment_and_Housing_v._Activision_Blizzard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Department_of_Fair_...
7thpower 2y ago
Are there laws that stipulate that or is it just a custom?
- 4gotunameagain 2y ago
  The letter of the law is not that strong in India..
  - devnull3 2y ago
    At a coarser level it works in India, but not at granular level. If you are involved in a lawsuit then it can drag for years. So essentially it becomes "justice delayed is justice denied".
- d1sxeyes 2y ago
  Not in India but in Hungary you also have exit paperwork. Without the exit papers from your previous company, a new company cannot begin making social security contributions on your behalf, which means your employment is not legal (there is a grace period I think but most companies will not allow you to start work without the exit papers). Where I work this is not weaponised to stop people leaving, but we do withhold the exit papers until the last day of the notice period (it is common in Hungary to have to give 30-60 days’ notice to your current employer) as a type of enforcement.
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- dartharva 2y ago
  India has mandatory EPF (India's counterpart of the 401(k)) contribution for salaried employees, and in cases of dual employment (i.e. dual streams of employer deposits) it causes all sorts of issues and in most cases result in immediate blacklisting of the employee. Also, labor protection for white-caller workers is non-existent in India. Basic expectations like fixed working hours, 5-day weeks, paid overtime etc are luxuries only attributable to the absolute top cream of employers (which mostly tend to be non-Indian MNCs). Other basic things like 2-week notices, flexible retirement and paternal leaves are just straight-up absent, even in top employers.

logicchains 2y ago

What possible justification is there for that? How did the country of Gandhi get to the point where humans are treated like corporate property?

mritun 2y ago
Same thing happened that has the cooks and gardeners beholden to non-compete agreements in the land of the free! Greed is universal. Slavery is one of the outcomes.
devnull3 2y ago
The less said about Gandhi the better. He had an amazing PR in the age when there was no concept of PR. The world has always been divide on: Owners and workers. This transcends communism and capitalism. Owners always wants more work out of workers. Owners unknowingly or knowingly behave as if they own the people. This was literally true when slavery was widespread. Even in western countries we find the unwritten understanding between Steve Jobs and Eric Schmidt not to poach each other's engineers [1]. Where is a the "free hand of markets" here? Does it not limit the career opportunities for employees? Activision Blizzard, one of the top AAA game developer had huge culture problems. There is a lawsuit as well [2] How is it in the land of free and ideals of Martin Luther King and Abraham Lincoln get to a point where humans are treated like corporate property? [1] https://www.theverge.com/2012/1/27/2753701/no-poach-scandal-unredacted-steve-jobs-eric-schmidt-paul-otellini https://www.theverge.com/2012/1/27/2753701/no-poach-scandal-... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Department_of_Fair_Employment_and_Housing_v._Activision_Blizzard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Department_of_Fair_...

7thpower 2y ago

Are there laws that stipulate that or is it just a custom?

4gotunameagain 2y ago
The letter of the law is not that strong in India..
- devnull3 2y ago
  At a coarser level it works in India, but not at granular level. If you are involved in a lawsuit then it can drag for years. So essentially it becomes "justice delayed is justice denied".
d1sxeyes 2y ago
Not in India but in Hungary you also have exit paperwork. Without the exit papers from your previous company, a new company cannot begin making social security contributions on your behalf, which means your employment is not legal (there is a grace period I think but most companies will not allow you to start work without the exit papers). Where I work this is not weaponised to stop people leaving, but we do withhold the exit papers until the last day of the notice period (it is common in Hungary to have to give 30-60 days’ notice to your current employer) as a type of enforcement.
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dartharva 2y ago
India has mandatory EPF (India's counterpart of the 401(k)) contribution for salaried employees, and in cases of dual employment (i.e. dual streams of employer deposits) it causes all sorts of issues and in most cases result in immediate blacklisting of the employee. Also, labor protection for white-caller workers is non-existent in India. Basic expectations like fixed working hours, 5-day weeks, paid overtime etc are luxuries only attributable to the absolute top cream of employers (which mostly tend to be non-Indian MNCs). Other basic things like 2-week notices, flexible retirement and paternal leaves are just straight-up absent, even in top employers.