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This looks similar to labor shortage of nursing in other countries. Somehow paying more and increasing work conditions just isn't an option.

StefanBatory 2y ago
Case of Austria. Why do they have conscription? Because the alternative service is to work as an unpaid laborer in things like nursing and so on...
- zingar 2y ago
  Could you elaborate on this?
  - ahartmetz 2y ago
    Probably similar to how it used to be in Germany. The many conscientious objectors to army service were doing useful work for very little money.
  - StefanBatory 2y ago
    I think that Wikipedia article will explain this to you better than I could. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zivildienst_in_Austria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zivildienst_in_Austria Also, referendum in 2013... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Austrian_conscription_referendum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Austrian_conscription_ref... https://www.dw.com/en/austria-bucks-trend-with-conscription-vote/a-16538451 https://www.dw.com/en/austria-bucks-trend-with-conscription-... "Many voters were apparently swayed by warnings from health organizations and charities, which had said they would not be able to cope without the 14,000 young men who opt to carry out community service each year.One of them was Alfred Körbel, a 74-year-old from Vienna. "Civilian service is very important for our society," he told DW. "Organizations like the Red Cross and other health care providers would not be able to keep going without such support." There was a big generational gap in voting trends, with older people more likely to support conscription. Heidenkamp explains that there was "a blend of different motives" that led to the outcome in favor of conscription." In short, "we need to keep it as otherwise who would do that" instead of paying more :<
- alpaca128 2y ago
  It's not unpaid. Payment is pretty low though, around 300 bucks per month. Also it's 50% longer than military and you're forbidden from using or owning a gun for 15 years because pacifism is the only accepted reason to opt out of military service.
  - em-bee 2y ago
    which also includes that you can not apply for a hunting license or join the police force.
Ekaros 2y ago
Because it really is not. Health care in general is large cut for gdp in any developed system. So if you substantially increased wages and number of workers. You would also need to either run higher budget shortfalls. Or bump taxes a bit. And voters really are not going to take these, even if nurses would get paid.
- 93po 2y ago
  in the US, it just means billionaires would have a slight cut to their hundreds of billions of profit every single year that comes from deliberately hamstringing an industry and causing millions of unnecessary deaths
  - ryandrake 2y ago
    You're not allowed to solve anything in the US in a way that causes already rich people to make slightly less profit. All other options will get explored but never that one.

StefanBatory 2y ago

Case of Austria. Why do they have conscription? Because the alternative service is to work as an unpaid laborer in things like nursing and so on...

zingar 2y ago
Could you elaborate on this?
- ahartmetz 2y ago
  Probably similar to how it used to be in Germany. The many conscientious objectors to army service were doing useful work for very little money.
- StefanBatory 2y ago
  I think that Wikipedia article will explain this to you better than I could. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zivildienst_in_Austria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zivildienst_in_Austria Also, referendum in 2013... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Austrian_conscription_referendum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Austrian_conscription_ref... https://www.dw.com/en/austria-bucks-trend-with-conscription-vote/a-16538451 https://www.dw.com/en/austria-bucks-trend-with-conscription-... "Many voters were apparently swayed by warnings from health organizations and charities, which had said they would not be able to cope without the 14,000 young men who opt to carry out community service each year.One of them was Alfred Körbel, a 74-year-old from Vienna. "Civilian service is very important for our society," he told DW. "Organizations like the Red Cross and other health care providers would not be able to keep going without such support." There was a big generational gap in voting trends, with older people more likely to support conscription. Heidenkamp explains that there was "a blend of different motives" that led to the outcome in favor of conscription." In short, "we need to keep it as otherwise who would do that" instead of paying more :<
alpaca128 2y ago
It's not unpaid. Payment is pretty low though, around 300 bucks per month. Also it's 50% longer than military and you're forbidden from using or owning a gun for 15 years because pacifism is the only accepted reason to opt out of military service.
- em-bee 2y ago
  which also includes that you can not apply for a hunting license or join the police force.

Ekaros 2y ago

Because it really is not. Health care in general is large cut for gdp in any developed system. So if you substantially increased wages and number of workers. You would also need to either run higher budget shortfalls. Or bump taxes a bit. And voters really are not going to take these, even if nurses would get paid.

93po 2y ago
in the US, it just means billionaires would have a slight cut to their hundreds of billions of profit every single year that comes from deliberately hamstringing an industry and causing millions of unnecessary deaths
- ryandrake 2y ago
  You're not allowed to solve anything in the US in a way that causes already rich people to make slightly less profit. All other options will get explored but never that one.