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In other words, poverty is the real problem.

by bjelkeman-again 2y ago

Spooky23 2y ago
Ignorance is the problem. Plenty of wealthy people are taking horse deworming medicine for political purposes.
- throawayonthe 2y ago
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- carlmr 2y ago
  A mix of both, the poverty creates some of this ignorance by lack of access to education. That people in the US choose to be ignorant despite having an education happens, but it's rarer than where there is no education.
  - more_corn 2y ago
    My mother was educated. She bought into some misinformation and fear-mongering about modern medicine and rejected it entirely. No vaccines no doctors. Mostly it was fine till it wasn’t. I took myself to a doctor as a teen with bad strep. Not our doctor we didn’t have one. just a doctor. No insurance. They could see I was in rough shape. They just diagnosed me with strep (although I already knew that’s what it was) and sent me away with a prescription. I didn’t even realize how weird that was till much later. (That they saw me with no insurance and no previous relationship and no payment) My sister was in town once years later and my younger brother was in such bad shape she took him to a doctor. She swears to this day he would have died. Again strep. Misinformation is a big problem. People who buy into it put their kids at risk. When we allow purveyors of nonsense to thrive because “freedoms” we do everyone a disservice.
- tomcam 2y ago
  > Plenty of wealthy people are taking horse deworming medicine for political purposes. Don’t understand this
  - tim333 2y ago
    This I think https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/covid-ivermectin-study-jama-malaysia-b2018597.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/covid-iver... Though that was a bit 2020. Not sure it still goes on.
    - jart 2y ago
      They still do. They think it's a magic salve that cures everything, even cancer. Which is sad because for many of them it's probably the only health care they have access to. The way the media reacts to this stuff only makes things sadder.
      - tomcam 2y ago
        The “they” being wealthy people? I am skeptical. I know many of them.
        Spooky23 2y ago
        People on the margins distrust authority, see themselves as knowing better, and resent the “mainstream” system for different reasons. Think of the folks who think RFK Jr is some sort of breath of fresh air. Or the people into Gwyneth Paltrow faux “wellness” nonsense and homeopathy. On the more reactionary side, you have people who idolize the cowboy myth, the 1950s, or interpret freedom as meaning “I don’t pay taxes”. It’s the same psychological feature, realized through different perceptions.
    - tomcam 2y ago
      Interesting. It won the Nobel prize for human applications long before it was considered a veterinary drug so I am still puzzled.
      - tim333 2y ago
        There was a bit of an odd phenomenon in the US where a lot of people went anti vax during covid and in those groups they tended to support using ivermectin instead to treat covid, in spite of the evidence being that vaccines were quite effective at reducing harm and ivermectin wasn't. They tended to be the right wing anti government types, while the dems were mostly in favour of getting everyone to be vaccinated. Most of the ivermectin lot were Trump voters although I don't think he suggested it - he recommended vaccination and in the early days suggested hydroxychloroquine when people still thought that might work. I'm not american and found it all a bit odd. I mean you'd think with medication you'd follow the scientific evidence for what works rather than political stuff. Maybe social media is to blame? They estimate about 319,000 more people died in the US that would have happened if everyone just got vaccinated when it was recommended (https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/05/13/1098071284/this-is-how-many-lives-could-have-been-saved-with-covid-vaccinations-in-each-sta https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/05/13/1098071...)
- Ekaros 2y ago
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In other words, poverty is the real problem.

Spooky23 2y ago

Ignorance is the problem. Plenty of wealthy people are taking horse deworming medicine for political purposes.

throawayonthe 2y ago
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carlmr 2y ago
A mix of both, the poverty creates some of this ignorance by lack of access to education. That people in the US choose to be ignorant despite having an education happens, but it's rarer than where there is no education.
- more_corn 2y ago
  My mother was educated. She bought into some misinformation and fear-mongering about modern medicine and rejected it entirely. No vaccines no doctors. Mostly it was fine till it wasn’t. I took myself to a doctor as a teen with bad strep. Not our doctor we didn’t have one. just a doctor. No insurance. They could see I was in rough shape. They just diagnosed me with strep (although I already knew that’s what it was) and sent me away with a prescription. I didn’t even realize how weird that was till much later. (That they saw me with no insurance and no previous relationship and no payment) My sister was in town once years later and my younger brother was in such bad shape she took him to a doctor. She swears to this day he would have died. Again strep. Misinformation is a big problem. People who buy into it put their kids at risk. When we allow purveyors of nonsense to thrive because “freedoms” we do everyone a disservice.
tomcam 2y ago
> Plenty of wealthy people are taking horse deworming medicine for political purposes. Don’t understand this
- tim333 2y ago
  This I think https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/covid-ivermectin-study-jama-malaysia-b2018597.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/covid-iver... Though that was a bit 2020. Not sure it still goes on.
  - jart 2y ago
    They still do. They think it's a magic salve that cures everything, even cancer. Which is sad because for many of them it's probably the only health care they have access to. The way the media reacts to this stuff only makes things sadder.
    - tomcam 2y ago
      The “they” being wealthy people? I am skeptical. I know many of them.
      - Spooky23 2y ago
        People on the margins distrust authority, see themselves as knowing better, and resent the “mainstream” system for different reasons. Think of the folks who think RFK Jr is some sort of breath of fresh air. Or the people into Gwyneth Paltrow faux “wellness” nonsense and homeopathy. On the more reactionary side, you have people who idolize the cowboy myth, the 1950s, or interpret freedom as meaning “I don’t pay taxes”. It’s the same psychological feature, realized through different perceptions.
  - tomcam 2y ago
    Interesting. It won the Nobel prize for human applications long before it was considered a veterinary drug so I am still puzzled.
    - tim333 2y ago
      There was a bit of an odd phenomenon in the US where a lot of people went anti vax during covid and in those groups they tended to support using ivermectin instead to treat covid, in spite of the evidence being that vaccines were quite effective at reducing harm and ivermectin wasn't. They tended to be the right wing anti government types, while the dems were mostly in favour of getting everyone to be vaccinated. Most of the ivermectin lot were Trump voters although I don't think he suggested it - he recommended vaccination and in the early days suggested hydroxychloroquine when people still thought that might work. I'm not american and found it all a bit odd. I mean you'd think with medication you'd follow the scientific evidence for what works rather than political stuff. Maybe social media is to blame? They estimate about 319,000 more people died in the US that would have happened if everyone just got vaccinated when it was recommended (https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/05/13/1098071284/this-is-how-many-lives-could-have-been-saved-with-covid-vaccinations-in-each-sta https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/05/13/1098071...)
Ekaros 2y ago
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