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The economic model and decisions of Cuba is a terrible idea and could never work. To show you how confident we are in this, we will engineer the harshest econo

The economic model and decisions of Cuba is a terrible idea and could never work. To show you how confident we are in this, we will engineer the harshest economic hit job and we will sanction the sh out of them, and every other country that tries something similar. Respectfully, the US and its lackeys

dkarras 2y ago
the point is, if your economic model cannot survive / adapt to the environment it is living in, is it viable? Cuba froze itself in time decades ago, is it just the embargoes? Why do they need capitalist trade to go a single step forward?
- portaouflop 2y ago
  It’s the combination of the Castro family leeching off everything that they can plus the Floridians who are still salty about losing their rum factories etc who force the embargo - so it’s both being blocked by a major superpower and having an utterly corrupt government
pragmomm 2y ago
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- ben_w 2y ago
  I think that's understating how much these other parties dislike the USA, while also underestimating how much China would (for now) quite like to continue to sell things to the rest of the world. Yes, China considers Taiwan to be part of its territory, and I wouldn't be surprised by it having its own Bay Of Pigs equivalent in the next 20 years. But also, e.g. Iran has called the USA "the Great Satan" for a while now; I asked a former Iranian coworker, and he told me that wasn't a translation oddity like the way Arabic speakers will say "Inshallah" (God willing) the way an English speaker would say "hopefully".
immibis 2y ago
Second harshest - Gaza has worse.
- _2d30 2y ago
  And yet the US trades openly with Palestine. Seems like maybe the issue with Cuba isn't entirely the US embargo?
  - immibis 2y ago
    The US does not trade freely with Palestine. Israel blocks shipments at the border.
    - _2d30 2y ago
      Are you specifically referring to post 10/7? Prior, this was not true. Israel assessed a VAT customs fee which was then transferred to the PA. The US has an FTA with the PA which applies across Gaza and the West Bank.
_2d30 2y ago
So you just made up a rationale for the embargo that's completely divorced from reality and then dunked on it? This would play great on Twitter or Reddit, you should post there as well. The embargo doesn't exist because the US is correct in its assessment that Cuba's economic system won't succeed, an opinion shared by Cuba's largest trading partner: https://www.ft.com/content/9ca0a495-d5d9-4cc5-acf5-43f42a9128b4 https://www.ft.com/content/9ca0a495-d5d9-4cc5-acf5-43f42a912...
- gardnr 2y ago
  > Respectfully, the US and its lackeys That reads like sarcasm to me. The embargo gets voted in every 6 months. There's huge lobby made up of bitter ex-land-owners from Cuba that now live in the USA and buy politicians. The travesty in Cuba[1] and in Gaza[2] is directly related to the undemocratic policy in the United States where it is legal to bribe politicians. 1. https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220207-cuba-marks-six-decades-under-us-sanctions https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220207-cuba-marks-si... 2. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/i-am-zionist-how-joe-bidens-lifelong-bond-with-israel-shapes-war-policy-2023-10-21/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/i-am-zionist-how-joe-bidens...

dkarras 2y ago

the point is, if your economic model cannot survive / adapt to the environment it is living in, is it viable? Cuba froze itself in time decades ago, is it just the embargoes? Why do they need capitalist trade to go a single step forward?

portaouflop 2y ago
It’s the combination of the Castro family leeching off everything that they can plus the Floridians who are still salty about losing their rum factories etc who force the embargo - so it’s both being blocked by a major superpower and having an utterly corrupt government

pragmomm 2y ago

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ben_w 2y ago
I think that's understating how much these other parties dislike the USA, while also underestimating how much China would (for now) quite like to continue to sell things to the rest of the world. Yes, China considers Taiwan to be part of its territory, and I wouldn't be surprised by it having its own Bay Of Pigs equivalent in the next 20 years. But also, e.g. Iran has called the USA "the Great Satan" for a while now; I asked a former Iranian coworker, and he told me that wasn't a translation oddity like the way Arabic speakers will say "Inshallah" (God willing) the way an English speaker would say "hopefully".

immibis 2y ago

Second harshest - Gaza has worse.

_2d30 2y ago
And yet the US trades openly with Palestine. Seems like maybe the issue with Cuba isn't entirely the US embargo?
- immibis 2y ago
  The US does not trade freely with Palestine. Israel blocks shipments at the border.
  - _2d30 2y ago
    Are you specifically referring to post 10/7? Prior, this was not true. Israel assessed a VAT customs fee which was then transferred to the PA. The US has an FTA with the PA which applies across Gaza and the West Bank.

_2d30 2y ago

So you just made up a rationale for the embargo that's completely divorced from reality and then dunked on it? This would play great on Twitter or Reddit, you should post there as well. The embargo doesn't exist because the US is correct in its assessment that Cuba's economic system won't succeed, an opinion shared by Cuba's largest trading partner: https://www.ft.com/content/9ca0a495-d5d9-4cc5-acf5-43f42a9128b4 https://www.ft.com/content/9ca0a495-d5d9-4cc5-acf5-43f42a912...

gardnr 2y ago
> Respectfully, the US and its lackeys That reads like sarcasm to me. The embargo gets voted in every 6 months. There's huge lobby made up of bitter ex-land-owners from Cuba that now live in the USA and buy politicians. The travesty in Cuba[1] and in Gaza[2] is directly related to the undemocratic policy in the United States where it is legal to bribe politicians. 1. https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220207-cuba-marks-six-decades-under-us-sanctions https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220207-cuba-marks-si... 2. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/i-am-zionist-how-joe-bidens-lifelong-bond-with-israel-shapes-war-policy-2023-10-21/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/i-am-zionist-how-joe-bidens...