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My Tesla routinely tries to kill me on absolutely normal California roads in normal sunny conditions, especially when there are cars parked on the side of the r

My Tesla routinely tries to kill me on absolutely normal California roads in normal sunny conditions, especially when there are cars parked on the side of the road (it often brakes thinking I'm about to crash into them, or even swerves into them thinking that's the "real" lane). Elon's Unsupervised FSD dreams are a good bit off. I do hope they happen though.

delichon 2y ago
Why do you drive a car that routinely tries to kill you? That would put me right off. Can't you just turn off the autopilot?
- ddingus 2y ago
  My guess is the driver tests it regularly. How does it do X, Y, ooh Z works, etc...
- xvector 2y ago
  It's a pretty nice car when it's not trying to kill me
jrflowers 2y ago
> My Tesla routinely tries to kill me > Elon's Unsupervised FSD dreams are a good bit off. I do hope they happen though. It is very generous that you would selflessly sacrifice your own life so that others might one day enjoy Elon’s dream of robot taxis without steering wheels
- massysett 2y ago
  Even more generous to selflessly sacrifice the lives and property of others that the vehicle "self-drives" itself into.
- judge2020 2y ago
  If the data sharing checkboxes are clicked, OP can still help send in training data while driving on his own.
Renaud 2y ago
And what if the car swerves, and you aren't able to correct in time and end up killing someone? Is that your fault or the car's? I would bet that since it's your car, and you're using a knowingly unproven technology, it would be your fault?
- ra7 2y ago
  The driver’s fault. Tesla never accepts liability.
  - LunicLynx 2y ago
    And they have been very clear about that
dzhiurgis 2y ago
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- dyauspitr 2y ago
  Emergency breaking will sure as hell kill you or at least the person behind you when you’re going 75 or 80 in the first lane.
  - BobaFloutist 2y ago
    I'm not a fan of Elon, Tesla, or "FSD", but for what it's worth, that's absolutely the fault of the person behind you for not maintaining appropriate stopping distance.
    - dyauspitr 2y ago
      I would say less than 5% of people maintain the required 30-50ft of recommended distance needed to stop safely at those speeds.
      - Schiendelman 2y ago
        The stopping distance required at 75mph is at least 250-300 feet, in optimal conditions.
        dyauspitr 2y ago
        Yeah that’s definitely not happening.
      - BobaFloutist 2y ago
        Then I guess they're not skilled enough to be granted the privilege of driving at those speeds ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
        Schiendelman 2y ago
bogantech 2y ago
> My Tesla routinely tries to kill me Why on earth would you continue to use it? If it does succeed someday that's on you
- newdee 2y ago
  > that’s on you They’d be dead, doubt it’s a concern at that point.
left-struck 2y ago
That’s hilariously ironic because I have a pretty standard newish Japanese petrol car (I’m not mentioning the brand because my point isn’t that brand x is better than brand y), and it has no ai self driving functions just pretty basic radar adaptive cruise control and emergency brake assist where it will stop if there’s a car brake hard in front of you… and it does a remarkable job at rejecting cars which are slowing down or stopped in other lanes, even when you’re going around a corner and the car is pointing straight towards the other cars but not actually heading towards them since it’s turning. I assume they are using the steering input to help reject other vehicles and dopler effects to detect differences in speed, but it’s remarkable how accurate it is at matching the speed of the car in front of you and only the car in front of you, even when that car is over 15 seconds in front of you. If teslas can’t beat that, it’s sad
gitaarik 2y ago
I wonder, how are you "driving"? Are you sitting behind the wheel doing nothing except watch really good everything the car does so you can take over when needed? Isn't that a stressful experience? Wouldn't it be more comfortable to just do everything yourself so you know nothing weird can happen? Also, if the car does something crazy, how much time do you have to react? I can imagine in some situations you might have too little time to prevent the accident the car is creating.
- xvector 2y ago
  > Isn't that a stressful experience? It's actually really easy and kind of relaxing. For long drives, it dramatically reduces cognitive load leading to less fatigue and more alertness on the road. My hand is always on the wheel so I can react as soon as I feel the car doing something weird.

delichon 2y ago

Why do you drive a car that routinely tries to kill you? That would put me right off. Can't you just turn off the autopilot?

ddingus 2y ago
My guess is the driver tests it regularly. How does it do X, Y, ooh Z works, etc...
xvector 2y ago
It's a pretty nice car when it's not trying to kill me

jrflowers 2y ago

> My Tesla routinely tries to kill me > Elon's Unsupervised FSD dreams are a good bit off. I do hope they happen though. It is very generous that you would selflessly sacrifice your own life so that others might one day enjoy Elon’s dream of robot taxis without steering wheels

massysett 2y ago
Even more generous to selflessly sacrifice the lives and property of others that the vehicle "self-drives" itself into.
judge2020 2y ago
If the data sharing checkboxes are clicked, OP can still help send in training data while driving on his own.

Renaud 2y ago

And what if the car swerves, and you aren't able to correct in time and end up killing someone? Is that your fault or the car's? I would bet that since it's your car, and you're using a knowingly unproven technology, it would be your fault?

ra7 2y ago
The driver’s fault. Tesla never accepts liability.
- LunicLynx 2y ago
  And they have been very clear about that

dzhiurgis 2y ago

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dyauspitr 2y ago
Emergency breaking will sure as hell kill you or at least the person behind you when you’re going 75 or 80 in the first lane.
- BobaFloutist 2y ago
  I'm not a fan of Elon, Tesla, or "FSD", but for what it's worth, that's absolutely the fault of the person behind you for not maintaining appropriate stopping distance.
  - dyauspitr 2y ago
    I would say less than 5% of people maintain the required 30-50ft of recommended distance needed to stop safely at those speeds.
    - Schiendelman 2y ago
      The stopping distance required at 75mph is at least 250-300 feet, in optimal conditions.
      - dyauspitr 2y ago
        Yeah that’s definitely not happening.
    - BobaFloutist 2y ago
      Then I guess they're not skilled enough to be granted the privilege of driving at those speeds ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
      - Schiendelman 2y ago

bogantech 2y ago

> My Tesla routinely tries to kill me Why on earth would you continue to use it? If it does succeed someday that's on you

newdee 2y ago
> that’s on you They’d be dead, doubt it’s a concern at that point.

left-struck 2y ago

That’s hilariously ironic because I have a pretty standard newish Japanese petrol car (I’m not mentioning the brand because my point isn’t that brand x is better than brand y), and it has no ai self driving functions just pretty basic radar adaptive cruise control and emergency brake assist where it will stop if there’s a car brake hard in front of you… and it does a remarkable job at rejecting cars which are slowing down or stopped in other lanes, even when you’re going around a corner and the car is pointing straight towards the other cars but not actually heading towards them since it’s turning. I assume they are using the steering input to help reject other vehicles and dopler effects to detect differences in speed, but it’s remarkable how accurate it is at matching the speed of the car in front of you and only the car in front of you, even when that car is over 15 seconds in front of you. If teslas can’t beat that, it’s sad

gitaarik 2y ago

I wonder, how are you "driving"? Are you sitting behind the wheel doing nothing except watch really good everything the car does so you can take over when needed? Isn't that a stressful experience? Wouldn't it be more comfortable to just do everything yourself so you know nothing weird can happen? Also, if the car does something crazy, how much time do you have to react? I can imagine in some situations you might have too little time to prevent the accident the car is creating.

xvector 2y ago
> Isn't that a stressful experience? It's actually really easy and kind of relaxing. For long drives, it dramatically reduces cognitive load leading to less fatigue and more alertness on the road. My hand is always on the wheel so I can react as soon as I feel the car doing something weird.