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Private plane then. The point is the same. If you're flying a couple miles away from a commercial airport and across the path of the runways, maybe you're not r

Private plane then. The point is the same. If you're flying a couple miles away from a commercial airport and across the path of the runways, maybe you're not required to be listening to ATC, but that's definitely a choice you're making to risk it.

ceejayoz 2y ago
> Private plane then. The point is the same. No, it isn't. You can get a Cessna for less than a Cybertruck. You cannot get a private jet that cheap. > If you're flying a couple miles away from a commercial airport and across the path of the runways, maybe you're not required to be listening to ATC, but that's definitely a choice you're making to risk it. There's an explicit system of controlled airspace around airports. See the picture illustrations in https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/97110/why-do-airspace-shelves-look-like-upside-down-wedding-cakes https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/97110/why-do-ai... The Cessna was operating in airspace it had the legal right to be in and no need for ATC coordination. Near some of the busiest airports, etiquitte requires you try not to make a nuisance of yourself as a GA pilot to ATC.
- noirbot 2y ago
  You clearly know this more than I do, and I'm probably wrong in general, as it seems. I guess I find it hard to believe ATC is just flagrantly flying planes full of people in airspace they shouldn't be, but maybe that's normal.
  - ryandrake 2y ago
    You’d be surprised! For example, when I take off from Palo Alto in the Bay Area and fly northeast over, say, Fremont, staying under 4000 feet, I am in what’s called Class E airspace where I am not required to transmit on the radio. I regularly see arrivals into Oakland in front of me at my altitude and below. It is technically considered controlled airspace, as IFR aircraft must operate on an ATC clearance, but my VFR ass can legally barrel right through without talking to anyone! Obviously that’s not the smartest or safest practice but it’s legal.

ceejayoz 2y ago

> Private plane then. The point is the same. No, it isn't. You can get a Cessna for less than a Cybertruck. You cannot get a private jet that cheap. > If you're flying a couple miles away from a commercial airport and across the path of the runways, maybe you're not required to be listening to ATC, but that's definitely a choice you're making to risk it. There's an explicit system of controlled airspace around airports. See the picture illustrations in https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/97110/why-do-airspace-shelves-look-like-upside-down-wedding-cakes https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/97110/why-do-ai... The Cessna was operating in airspace it had the legal right to be in and no need for ATC coordination. Near some of the busiest airports, etiquitte requires you try not to make a nuisance of yourself as a GA pilot to ATC.

noirbot 2y ago
You clearly know this more than I do, and I'm probably wrong in general, as it seems. I guess I find it hard to believe ATC is just flagrantly flying planes full of people in airspace they shouldn't be, but maybe that's normal.
- ryandrake 2y ago
  You’d be surprised! For example, when I take off from Palo Alto in the Bay Area and fly northeast over, say, Fremont, staying under 4000 feet, I am in what’s called Class E airspace where I am not required to transmit on the radio. I regularly see arrivals into Oakland in front of me at my altitude and below. It is technically considered controlled airspace, as IFR aircraft must operate on an ATC clearance, but my VFR ass can legally barrel right through without talking to anyone! Obviously that’s not the smartest or safest practice but it’s legal.