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> Because they're trustworthy. Amazon are trustworthy? That's going to be news to the large number of people who've received counterfeit books, dodgy packages

> Because they're trustworthy. Amazon are trustworthy? That's going to be news to the large number of people who've received counterfeit books, dodgy packages, and so on. This is not a new problem: https://hn.algolia.com/?q=amazon+counterfeit https://hn.algolia.com/?q=amazon+counterfeit

fastball 2y ago
And that is Amazon deliberately pawning counterfeits? Or is that other bad actors taking advantage of "Fulfilled by Amazon" infrastructure and its weakpoints? There is a difference between the two.
- justinclift 2y ago
  > There is a difference between the two. Amazon has been ignoring the problem for a long time, and is well aware of it. They're so aware of it that I'd personally (not a lawyer though) consider them culpable due to their inaction in making any substantial actions towards fixing the problems.
  - fastball 2y ago
    How do you know that haven't tried?
    - justinclift 2y ago
      Would the massive, ongoing counterfeiting problems be something you'd except as evidence of that? :)
      - fastball 2y ago
        No. It being an ongoing problem doesn't mean they're not trying to fix it. Is that the only evidence you have? "Problem exists"? Some problems are just... hard problems. Google has massive issues with SEO spam, and has for a long time. Does that mean they're not trying to deliver higher quality search results?
        justinclift 2y ago
        > Does that mean they're not trying to deliver higher quality search results? Clearly that's not a goal they're aiming for, nor have they been aiming for that for years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSGVk2KVokQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSGVk2KVokQ
        justinclift 2y ago
        In that case, what would you find acceptable as evidence?
        fastball 2y ago
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_7XarmoDIw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_7XarmoDIw
        KPGv2 2y ago
        > Google has massive issues with SEO spam, and has for a long time. Does that mean they're not trying to deliver higher quality search results? Google has a history of publicly discussing their efforts to fix this, not to mention conflict with legitimate businesses complaining that they've been caught in the crossfire of Google's war on SEO spam. I'd consider that powerful evidence they're trying. Is there similar evidence of legitimate businesses getting in trouble by Amazon's sincere efforts to stop counterfeit sales? Or instead is there evidence of legitimate businesses getting hurt by Amazon's failure to do stop it?
    - KPGv2 2y ago
      > How do you know that haven't tried? I'm not aware of any evidence they have, so evidence that have not tried outweighs my fantasies that thy have.
      - fastball 2y ago
        Have you actually looked into this at all, or are you expecting to be magically "aware" of things that are not your purview? Amazon literally has a Counterfeit Crimes Unit that exists entirely for this purpose. Any amount of searching the web would've revealed this to you. Here is a video[1] from 6 days before you made your comment about their efforts. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_7XarmoDIw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_7XarmoDIw
        justinclift 2y ago
        It's not very effective though is it, which is the real problem. Perhaps they need to give it more resources?

fastball 2y ago

And that is Amazon deliberately pawning counterfeits? Or is that other bad actors taking advantage of "Fulfilled by Amazon" infrastructure and its weakpoints? There is a difference between the two.

justinclift 2y ago
> There is a difference between the two. Amazon has been ignoring the problem for a long time, and is well aware of it. They're so aware of it that I'd personally (not a lawyer though) consider them culpable due to their inaction in making any substantial actions towards fixing the problems.
- fastball 2y ago
  How do you know that haven't tried?
  - justinclift 2y ago
    Would the massive, ongoing counterfeiting problems be something you'd except as evidence of that? :)
    - fastball 2y ago
      No. It being an ongoing problem doesn't mean they're not trying to fix it. Is that the only evidence you have? "Problem exists"? Some problems are just... hard problems. Google has massive issues with SEO spam, and has for a long time. Does that mean they're not trying to deliver higher quality search results?
      - justinclift 2y ago
        > Does that mean they're not trying to deliver higher quality search results? Clearly that's not a goal they're aiming for, nor have they been aiming for that for years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSGVk2KVokQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSGVk2KVokQ
      - justinclift 2y ago
        In that case, what would you find acceptable as evidence?
        fastball 2y ago
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_7XarmoDIw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_7XarmoDIw
      - KPGv2 2y ago
        > Google has massive issues with SEO spam, and has for a long time. Does that mean they're not trying to deliver higher quality search results? Google has a history of publicly discussing their efforts to fix this, not to mention conflict with legitimate businesses complaining that they've been caught in the crossfire of Google's war on SEO spam. I'd consider that powerful evidence they're trying. Is there similar evidence of legitimate businesses getting in trouble by Amazon's sincere efforts to stop counterfeit sales? Or instead is there evidence of legitimate businesses getting hurt by Amazon's failure to do stop it?
  - KPGv2 2y ago
    > How do you know that haven't tried? I'm not aware of any evidence they have, so evidence that have not tried outweighs my fantasies that thy have.
    - fastball 2y ago
      Have you actually looked into this at all, or are you expecting to be magically "aware" of things that are not your purview? Amazon literally has a Counterfeit Crimes Unit that exists entirely for this purpose. Any amount of searching the web would've revealed this to you. Here is a video[1] from 6 days before you made your comment about their efforts. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_7XarmoDIw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_7XarmoDIw
      - justinclift 2y ago
        It's not very effective though is it, which is the real problem. Perhaps they need to give it more resources?