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There's no similar context because the Apartheid system that existed in South Africa has no resemblance to today's Israel. In particular: - There's no racial

There's no similar context because the Apartheid system that existed in South Africa has no resemblance to today's Israel. In particular: - There's no racial segregation laws; an Arab-Israeli can travel anywhere a Jewish-Israeli can. In fact, Arabic is an officially recognized language by the state of Israel, and throughout the country, every public service has signs in Arabic alongside Hebrew. - Jews are not a minority in Israel, they comprise 78% of the population.

kombine 2y ago
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oa335 2y ago
> Arab-Israeli can travel anywhere … That is simply not true. E.g. The city of Hebron is segregated by religion - see https://youtu.be/Z42HhaywhGQ?si=bTBhEFi5lgBJQX9v https://youtu.be/Z42HhaywhGQ?si=bTBhEFi5lgBJQX9v
- klipt 2y ago
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  - oa335 2y ago
    How is it "Palestinian apartheid" when Israeli soldiers are the ones enforcing it?
    - klipt 2y ago
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      - oa335 2y ago
        > If the alternative offered by the Palestinian Authority is ethnically cleansing all the Jews out of Hebron, it seems reasonable for the soldiers to be there to keep the peace? So demanding that settlers who illegally occupied land is “ethnic cleansing”? And you seem to be ceding my point and agreeing that it is apartheid, but justified. > The Israeli government is obviously not perfect, but Arab citizens of Israel are generally treated way better than Jewish citizens of Muslim countries. Whataboutism and irrelevant. One comment ago you were saying it’s “”Palestinian apartheid”, now you are saying that it may be apartheid but it’s justified and so what, other countries are worse. I’m sorry but this I’m not going to engage any further with this type of discourse.
        rougka 2y ago
        in your opinion these are settlers illegally occupying land, in their opinion they came back after they were ethnically cleansed from Hebron in the 1929 and 1936 massacres sometimes life is surprisingly complicated
Qem 2y ago
> There's no similar context because the Apartheid system that existed in South Africa has no resemblance to today's Israel. According to Human Rights Watch[1], Amnesty International[2], and many other human rights organizations, the regime in Israel today is in fact recognized as a system of apartheid. Mandela himself shown a lot of solidarity to the palestinian cause[3]. [1] https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/isra... [2] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/research/2022/02/qa-israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-cruel-system-of-domination-and-crime-against-humanity/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/research/2022/02/qa-israel... [3] https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/nelson-mandela-30-years-palestine https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/nelson-mandela-30-years-p...
- robertoandred 2y ago
  So, believe biased organizations or the dictionary. I'll go with the dictionary.

kombine 2y ago

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oa335 2y ago

> Arab-Israeli can travel anywhere … That is simply not true. E.g. The city of Hebron is segregated by religion - see https://youtu.be/Z42HhaywhGQ?si=bTBhEFi5lgBJQX9v https://youtu.be/Z42HhaywhGQ?si=bTBhEFi5lgBJQX9v

klipt 2y ago
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- oa335 2y ago
  How is it "Palestinian apartheid" when Israeli soldiers are the ones enforcing it?
  - klipt 2y ago
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    - oa335 2y ago
      > If the alternative offered by the Palestinian Authority is ethnically cleansing all the Jews out of Hebron, it seems reasonable for the soldiers to be there to keep the peace? So demanding that settlers who illegally occupied land is “ethnic cleansing”? And you seem to be ceding my point and agreeing that it is apartheid, but justified. > The Israeli government is obviously not perfect, but Arab citizens of Israel are generally treated way better than Jewish citizens of Muslim countries. Whataboutism and irrelevant. One comment ago you were saying it’s “”Palestinian apartheid”, now you are saying that it may be apartheid but it’s justified and so what, other countries are worse. I’m sorry but this I’m not going to engage any further with this type of discourse.
      - rougka 2y ago
        in your opinion these are settlers illegally occupying land, in their opinion they came back after they were ethnically cleansed from Hebron in the 1929 and 1936 massacres sometimes life is surprisingly complicated

Qem 2y ago

> There's no similar context because the Apartheid system that existed in South Africa has no resemblance to today's Israel. According to Human Rights Watch[1], Amnesty International[2], and many other human rights organizations, the regime in Israel today is in fact recognized as a system of apartheid. Mandela himself shown a lot of solidarity to the palestinian cause[3]. [1] https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/isra... [2] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/research/2022/02/qa-israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-cruel-system-of-domination-and-crime-against-humanity/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/research/2022/02/qa-israel... [3] https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/nelson-mandela-30-years-palestine https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/nelson-mandela-30-years-p...

robertoandred 2y ago
So, believe biased organizations or the dictionary. I'll go with the dictionary.