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> Something like World ID will eventually exist, meaning that you will need to verify [that you are human] on the internet, whether you like it or not. I think

> Something like World ID will eventually exist, meaning that you will need to verify [that you are human] on the internet, whether you like it or not. I think that's certainly going to happen with the progress in AI. No thanks. I would prefer to just opt out.

runako 2y ago
If this was necessary to solve a problem, why wouldn't the existing Internet access points simply solve the problems? For example, why would Apple not add liveness detection to its devices, which users already trust with their biometric data? One could imagine a Web standard that specifies minimum capabilities for user agents, which could then be implemented in a variety of ways. Apple might use an upgraded FaceID, for example. That would have the added benefit of being able to verify liveness anywhere, anytime, unlike the Orbs. World feels like a ZIRP phenomenon.
- ejddhbrbrrnrn 2y ago
  This is what I thought. Finger print and face detection have been added with little fanfare. FAANG wont let this become a defacfo standard without a fight.
- game_the0ry 2y ago
  > For example, why would Apple not add liveness detection to its devices, which users already trust with their biometric data? That's what I always assumed too, that existing biometrics on mobile would be adequate. This World Coin Orbo bullshit doe not bring anything to the table except get sama one step closer to his wet dream fantasy of WorLD DomInaAtiOn.
janice1999 2y ago
You won't have a choice depending on what it will gatekeep, just like how at the moment web users can't opt out of being fingerprinted [1] and data intercepted by Cloudflare when they want to visit their favourite site or have to live with never having root access to their phones if they want to use their bank's mobile app. [1] https://blog.cloudflare.com/turnstile-ephemeral-ids-for-fraud-detection/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/turnstile-ephemeral-ids-for-frau...
- ejddhbrbrrnrn 2y ago
  It is more like how you can't opt out of an okta app, cisco vpn on your phone etc. if you want a job. Speaking of which I suspect these sort of companies not World will win this race. It wont be a new product for them. It is just a new feature.
  - JohnFen 2y ago
    > It is more like how you can't opt out of an okta app, cisco vpn on your phone etc. if you want a job. Huh? I've never needed any apps of those natures (or any apps at all) to get and keep jobs.
anonymousab 2y ago
Anonymity and lack of accountability/a target to attack on the internet is just a huge pain in the ass for most governments and corporate interests. It is also useful, to some extent, for bot farms, propaganda, opinion influencing and spycraft. But if you're a government controlling the "internet id" for your or other nations, then you can easily make affordances for whipping up a "valid" fake digital personage. That it still exists is a technical and political challenge that will eventually be resolved. There's too much money and soft and hard power to be gained by getting rid of it.

runako 2y ago

If this was necessary to solve a problem, why wouldn't the existing Internet access points simply solve the problems? For example, why would Apple not add liveness detection to its devices, which users already trust with their biometric data? One could imagine a Web standard that specifies minimum capabilities for user agents, which could then be implemented in a variety of ways. Apple might use an upgraded FaceID, for example. That would have the added benefit of being able to verify liveness anywhere, anytime, unlike the Orbs. World feels like a ZIRP phenomenon.

ejddhbrbrrnrn 2y ago
This is what I thought. Finger print and face detection have been added with little fanfare. FAANG wont let this become a defacfo standard without a fight.
game_the0ry 2y ago
> For example, why would Apple not add liveness detection to its devices, which users already trust with their biometric data? That's what I always assumed too, that existing biometrics on mobile would be adequate. This World Coin Orbo bullshit doe not bring anything to the table except get sama one step closer to his wet dream fantasy of WorLD DomInaAtiOn.

janice1999 2y ago

You won't have a choice depending on what it will gatekeep, just like how at the moment web users can't opt out of being fingerprinted [1] and data intercepted by Cloudflare when they want to visit their favourite site or have to live with never having root access to their phones if they want to use their bank's mobile app. [1] https://blog.cloudflare.com/turnstile-ephemeral-ids-for-fraud-detection/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/turnstile-ephemeral-ids-for-frau...

ejddhbrbrrnrn 2y ago
It is more like how you can't opt out of an okta app, cisco vpn on your phone etc. if you want a job. Speaking of which I suspect these sort of companies not World will win this race. It wont be a new product for them. It is just a new feature.
- JohnFen 2y ago
  > It is more like how you can't opt out of an okta app, cisco vpn on your phone etc. if you want a job. Huh? I've never needed any apps of those natures (or any apps at all) to get and keep jobs.

anonymousab 2y ago

Anonymity and lack of accountability/a target to attack on the internet is just a huge pain in the ass for most governments and corporate interests. It is also useful, to some extent, for bot farms, propaganda, opinion influencing and spycraft. But if you're a government controlling the "internet id" for your or other nations, then you can easily make affordances for whipping up a "valid" fake digital personage. That it still exists is a technical and political challenge that will eventually be resolved. There's too much money and soft and hard power to be gained by getting rid of it.