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> traditionally thought of as less technical people You've never met a farmer. Admittedly no one in my family is a farmer, but half of them are loggers, diesel

by genter 2y ago

> traditionally thought of as less technical people You've never met a farmer. Admittedly no one in my family is a farmer, but half of them are loggers, diesel mechanics, or heavy equipment operators. Most of them are ridiculously intelligent and able to fix anything that moves.

cyberax 2y ago
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- genter 2y ago
  Actually mine don't.
  - bigstrat2003 2y ago
    More to the point, it's not really acceptable to accuse people of being stupid based on how they vote. Reasonable people can disagree on things. I strongly disagree with the political views of some of my family members, but that doesn't make them stupid or anything... we just see things differently.
    - CamperBob2 2y ago
      Reasonable people can disagree on things Usually. Not this time around, though. You can't call yourself a "reasonable person" and vote for the people behind https://i.imgur.com/WQ4qbfj.png https://i.imgur.com/WQ4qbfj.png . Sorry. You just can't.
      - llamaimperative 2y ago
        +1 Could you share a link to that full PDF? I assume it's from the recently published documents from Smith? Edit: Found it! https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25238371-chutkan-order-government-appendix-vol-iv https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25238371-chutkan-ord...
      - bigstrat2003 2y ago
        Yes, you can. Stop treating politics like it's an existential battle between good and evil; that attitude is literally destroying our country.
        CamperBob2 2y ago
        No, people who engage in insurrection and election fraud are literally destroying our country... or trying their hardest to. We are lucky that they're such idiots, but there is no reason to expect our luck to hold indefinitely. In any case there are other venues where this type of conversation is better held.
    - cyberax 2y ago
      > More to the point, it's not really acceptable to accuse people of being stupid based on how they vote. "I've been voting XXX all of my life, and my state has been ruled by XXX over the last 20 years, and the life is still shitty. It's totally a failure of YYY, they want to destroy America"
- BoingBoomTschak 2y ago
  Are you gunning for "most close-minded post of the year"? I know this is HN, but m8.
  - cyberax 2y ago
    How else would you classify farmers? To the topic in question, Republicans want to abolish most regulations (see: Project 2025). And so far the only states to pass right-to-repair laws are Democraticly-controlled (NY, MN, CA, OR, CO).
mhuffman 2y ago
Agree with this. I do come from a family of farmers and they could do anything it seemed! Phone line repair, diesel repair, welding/fabrication, plumbing, hydraulic repairs (very dangerous), all manner of home repairs, light vet work, and the list goes on and on. BTW, the description I just gave was for a specific guy that dropped out of school in sixth grade.
freedomben 2y ago
> You've never met a farmer. What a stupid thing to say. Not only do you not know anything about me (I am myself a small-time/part-time farmer, and my neighbors are all farmers. My 14 acres is the smallest lot in my area. My neighbor/friend across the street farms 80 acres and sells his crops as some of the highest quality produce to top buyers. I also grew up with farmers as family members and friends. I think I've probably met a farmer before), but you clearly didn't even read my comment before replying to it or you would know that you're opening salvo is quite wrong. A quote from my comment that you replied to: > Some of the farmers I've talked to understand the importance (sic) ownership and right to repair better than even many engineers. It seems to me that logically, it's hard to have talked to people, while simultaneously having never met them. After such a sloppy and unnecessarily assumptive (and incorrectly assumptive) response, it's hard to give any credibility whatsoever to anything else you say. I agree with it, but (as many of us rural livers/farmers) like to say, "even a stopped clock is right twice a day". Also, I never said they aren't intelligent or able to fix anything that moves. If something I said suggested they weren't intelligent or capable, please point it out to me. Such a thing would be absurd - all the farmers I know are quite handy and can fix just about anything (that big corporations don't actively engineer to prevent, hence the hullaballoo over right-to-repair). What I said was that they don't usually care about political fights like right-to-repair. And I stand by that, many of them don't. It's not a direct relation with intelligence level or handiness, it's more about personality and individual interests. Most of them just think John Deere are assholes but have no idea about the right-to-repair movement. They don't realize how deep the poison goes. More and more are getting into it, but it's still pretty unusual. It's a free-ish country so you can do as you please, but I would recommend that you read and think a little more carefully before replying to people, especially when you're going to insult them by loudly proclaiming that they are an ignorant liar like you did to me.
- freedomben 2y ago
  Apologies for the harsh portions. After re-visiting, I feel I was a bit too harsh. As is probably apparent, you touched a nerve.

by genter 2y ago

cyberax 2y ago

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genter 2y ago
Actually mine don't.
- bigstrat2003 2y ago
  More to the point, it's not really acceptable to accuse people of being stupid based on how they vote. Reasonable people can disagree on things. I strongly disagree with the political views of some of my family members, but that doesn't make them stupid or anything... we just see things differently.
  - CamperBob2 2y ago
    Reasonable people can disagree on things Usually. Not this time around, though. You can't call yourself a "reasonable person" and vote for the people behind https://i.imgur.com/WQ4qbfj.png https://i.imgur.com/WQ4qbfj.png . Sorry. You just can't.
    - llamaimperative 2y ago
      +1 Could you share a link to that full PDF? I assume it's from the recently published documents from Smith? Edit: Found it! https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25238371-chutkan-order-government-appendix-vol-iv https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25238371-chutkan-ord...
    - bigstrat2003 2y ago
      Yes, you can. Stop treating politics like it's an existential battle between good and evil; that attitude is literally destroying our country.
      - CamperBob2 2y ago
        No, people who engage in insurrection and election fraud are literally destroying our country... or trying their hardest to. We are lucky that they're such idiots, but there is no reason to expect our luck to hold indefinitely. In any case there are other venues where this type of conversation is better held.
  - cyberax 2y ago
    > More to the point, it's not really acceptable to accuse people of being stupid based on how they vote. "I've been voting XXX all of my life, and my state has been ruled by XXX over the last 20 years, and the life is still shitty. It's totally a failure of YYY, they want to destroy America"
BoingBoomTschak 2y ago
Are you gunning for "most close-minded post of the year"? I know this is HN, but m8.
- cyberax 2y ago
  How else would you classify farmers? To the topic in question, Republicans want to abolish most regulations (see: Project 2025). And so far the only states to pass right-to-repair laws are Democraticly-controlled (NY, MN, CA, OR, CO).

mhuffman 2y ago

Agree with this. I do come from a family of farmers and they could do anything it seemed! Phone line repair, diesel repair, welding/fabrication, plumbing, hydraulic repairs (very dangerous), all manner of home repairs, light vet work, and the list goes on and on. BTW, the description I just gave was for a specific guy that dropped out of school in sixth grade.

freedomben 2y ago

> You've never met a farmer. What a stupid thing to say. Not only do you not know anything about me (I am myself a small-time/part-time farmer, and my neighbors are all farmers. My 14 acres is the smallest lot in my area. My neighbor/friend across the street farms 80 acres and sells his crops as some of the highest quality produce to top buyers. I also grew up with farmers as family members and friends. I think I've probably met a farmer before), but you clearly didn't even read my comment before replying to it or you would know that you're opening salvo is quite wrong. A quote from my comment that you replied to: > Some of the farmers I've talked to understand the importance (sic) ownership and right to repair better than even many engineers. It seems to me that logically, it's hard to have talked to people, while simultaneously having never met them. After such a sloppy and unnecessarily assumptive (and incorrectly assumptive) response, it's hard to give any credibility whatsoever to anything else you say. I agree with it, but (as many of us rural livers/farmers) like to say, "even a stopped clock is right twice a day". Also, I never said they aren't intelligent or able to fix anything that moves. If something I said suggested they weren't intelligent or capable, please point it out to me. Such a thing would be absurd - all the farmers I know are quite handy and can fix just about anything (that big corporations don't actively engineer to prevent, hence the hullaballoo over right-to-repair). What I said was that they don't usually care about political fights like right-to-repair. And I stand by that, many of them don't. It's not a direct relation with intelligence level or handiness, it's more about personality and individual interests. Most of them just think John Deere are assholes but have no idea about the right-to-repair movement. They don't realize how deep the poison goes. More and more are getting into it, but it's still pretty unusual. It's a free-ish country so you can do as you please, but I would recommend that you read and think a little more carefully before replying to people, especially when you're going to insult them by loudly proclaiming that they are an ignorant liar like you did to me.

freedomben 2y ago
Apologies for the harsh portions. After re-visiting, I feel I was a bit too harsh. As is probably apparent, you touched a nerve.