3 ms·

You should really read the OP's theory as: clearly untrustworthy people lose out. Trustworthy people, and unclearly untrustworthy people, win. OAI's problem is

by 015a 2y ago

You should really read the OP's theory as: clearly untrustworthy people lose out. Trustworthy people, and unclearly untrustworthy people, win. OAI's problem isn't that Sam is untrustworthy; he's just too obviously untrustworthy.

cynicalpeace 2y ago
Yes correct. And hopefully untrustworthy people become clearly untrustworthy people eventually. Elon is not "untrustworthy" because of some ambitious deadlines or some stupid statements. He's plucking rockets out of the air and doing it super cheap whereas all competitors are lining their pockets with taxpayer money. You add in everything else (free speech, speaking his mind at great personal risk, tesla), he reads as basically trustworthy to me. When he says he's going to do something and he explains why, I basically believe him, knowing deadlines are ambitious.
- hobs 2y ago
  There's so many demos where Elon has faked and lied its very surprising to have him read as "basically trustworthy" even if he has done other stuff - have dancing people as robots with fake robot demos, the fake solar roof, fake full self driving, really fake promises about cyber taxis and teslas paying for themselves (like 7 years ago?). The free speech part also reads completely hollow when the guy's first actions were to ban his critics on the platform and bring back self avowed nazis - you could argue one of those things are in favor of free speech, but generally doing both just implies you are into the nazi stuff.
  - cynicalpeace 2y ago
    Would you trust Elon or ULA to take you to the ISS? Even though ULA has tweeted pretty much no falsehoods (that I know of) You're complaining about tweets and meanwhile he's saving astronauts and getting us to the moon. Wake up man.
    - hobs 2y ago
      No, I am complaining about in person appearances in front of audiences where he knowingly lied, moving the goalposts doesn't make him honest, just more trustworthy to complete something than {insert incompetent people here}. Having the general ability to accomplish something doesn't magically infer integrity, you doing what you say does. Misleading and dissembling about doing what you say you will do is where you get the untrustworthy label, regardless of your personal animus or positive view of Musk.
  - lenkite 2y ago
    When did Elon ban any of his critics permanently from Twitter ? The most famous I remember was Kathy Griffin for impersonation, but she was brought back after the "parody" label was added. And that was done to multiple parody accounts not just hers.
    - hobs 2y ago
      Without malice - spend a minute googling "elon musk bans critics" - he's been banning journalists and people who simply report on him. https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/17/business/elon-musk-twitter-ban-reverse-conditions/ https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/17/business/elon-musk-twitter-ba...
- i80and 2y ago
  "Free speech" is kind of a weird thing to ascribe to Musk, given that it's a perfect almost archetypical example of where he says one thing and actually does the exact opposite.
  - cynicalpeace 2y ago
    I challenge you to post a taboo opinion on other platforms vs X and let us know the results.
- greenthrow 2y ago
  That's an interesting way to characterize Elon's history. "Ambitious deadlines" implies you are believe he will one day deliver on the many, many claims he's made that have never happened. SpaceX and Tesla have both accomplished great things. There's a lot of talented people that work there. Elon doesn'r deserve all the credit for all their hard work.

by 015a 2y ago

cynicalpeace 2y ago

Yes correct. And hopefully untrustworthy people become clearly untrustworthy people eventually. Elon is not "untrustworthy" because of some ambitious deadlines or some stupid statements. He's plucking rockets out of the air and doing it super cheap whereas all competitors are lining their pockets with taxpayer money. You add in everything else (free speech, speaking his mind at great personal risk, tesla), he reads as basically trustworthy to me. When he says he's going to do something and he explains why, I basically believe him, knowing deadlines are ambitious.

hobs 2y ago
There's so many demos where Elon has faked and lied its very surprising to have him read as "basically trustworthy" even if he has done other stuff - have dancing people as robots with fake robot demos, the fake solar roof, fake full self driving, really fake promises about cyber taxis and teslas paying for themselves (like 7 years ago?). The free speech part also reads completely hollow when the guy's first actions were to ban his critics on the platform and bring back self avowed nazis - you could argue one of those things are in favor of free speech, but generally doing both just implies you are into the nazi stuff.
- cynicalpeace 2y ago
  Would you trust Elon or ULA to take you to the ISS? Even though ULA has tweeted pretty much no falsehoods (that I know of) You're complaining about tweets and meanwhile he's saving astronauts and getting us to the moon. Wake up man.
  - hobs 2y ago
    No, I am complaining about in person appearances in front of audiences where he knowingly lied, moving the goalposts doesn't make him honest, just more trustworthy to complete something than {insert incompetent people here}. Having the general ability to accomplish something doesn't magically infer integrity, you doing what you say does. Misleading and dissembling about doing what you say you will do is where you get the untrustworthy label, regardless of your personal animus or positive view of Musk.
- lenkite 2y ago
  When did Elon ban any of his critics permanently from Twitter ? The most famous I remember was Kathy Griffin for impersonation, but she was brought back after the "parody" label was added. And that was done to multiple parody accounts not just hers.
  - hobs 2y ago
    Without malice - spend a minute googling "elon musk bans critics" - he's been banning journalists and people who simply report on him. https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/17/business/elon-musk-twitter-ban-reverse-conditions/ https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/17/business/elon-musk-twitter-ba...
i80and 2y ago
"Free speech" is kind of a weird thing to ascribe to Musk, given that it's a perfect almost archetypical example of where he says one thing and actually does the exact opposite.
- cynicalpeace 2y ago
  I challenge you to post a taboo opinion on other platforms vs X and let us know the results.
greenthrow 2y ago
That's an interesting way to characterize Elon's history. "Ambitious deadlines" implies you are believe he will one day deliver on the many, many claims he's made that have never happened. SpaceX and Tesla have both accomplished great things. There's a lot of talented people that work there. Elon doesn'r deserve all the credit for all their hard work.