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> That's clearly double unhealthy behavior and will bring unintended consequences Consider: GPL-1 inhibitors are actually root-cause solutions, and diet/exerci

> That's clearly double unhealthy behavior and will bring unintended consequences Consider: GPL-1 inhibitors are actually root-cause solutions, and diet/exercise are not root cause solutions. That's because the cause of obesity is not eating. The cause of obesity is a propensity to overeat. The cause begins in your brain and automatic responses, not on the table or the gym. That's why you and I can eat, be satisfied, and not be obese. Diet/exercise doesn't address the root cause. It fixes the symptom - obesity. But those people are still addicts, and if they fall off then they're off and will become obese again, much like an alcoholic. This diet "rubber banding" is extremely common. Ozempic and others address the root cause, by lowering the desire or propensity to eat, perhaps closer to that of someone with a normal brain and normal regulation.

meiraleal 2y ago
> That's why you and I can eat, be satisfied, and not be obese. Who said so?! I have been obese (clinically, BMI) multiple times. And all the time I got back to overweight then normal weight by exercising and eating less (than what I wanted! Because eating until I feel like exploding is so good). > Consider: GPL-1 inhibitors are actually root-cause solutions, and diet/exercise are not root cause solutions. False. Overeating is caused by lack of movement and bad diet. There is no point in discuss the rest starting from a completely wrong point.
- consteval 2y ago
  > Overeating is caused by lack of movement and bad diet Is this some kind of joke? A bad diet doesn't cause overeating - overeating IS the bad diet. Also not moving doesn't cause overeating, because how could it? What, I sit down and suddenly a burrito appears in my hands? The cause of overeating is a propensity to overconsume, i.e. you have an addiction. Diet and exercise address the SYMPTOMS, but not the ROOT CAUSE. You STILL have an addiction. In the exact same way someone who is sober is STILL an alcoholic. Because drinking alcohol is not actually the root cause of alcoholism. The root cause is an addiction to alcohol. You can't get rid of the addiction, but you can treat the symptoms - by never drinking, by being sober. But you did not address the root cause. By my logical analysis, I conclude GLP-1 inhibitors better address the root cause than diet and exercise. To further strengthen my point, you've more or less admitted this by pointed out you've been obese "multiple times". If you had addressed the root cause this would be impossible! But you did not address the root cause but merely the symptoms via diet and exercise. You still had the addiction, so when you slipped you became obese again. This cannot happen while taking a GLP-1 inhibitor because you no longer have the extreme desire to eat. Even when you lost weight, you still had the extreme desire to eat.

meiraleal 2y ago

> That's why you and I can eat, be satisfied, and not be obese. Who said so?! I have been obese (clinically, BMI) multiple times. And all the time I got back to overweight then normal weight by exercising and eating less (than what I wanted! Because eating until I feel like exploding is so good). > Consider: GPL-1 inhibitors are actually root-cause solutions, and diet/exercise are not root cause solutions. False. Overeating is caused by lack of movement and bad diet. There is no point in discuss the rest starting from a completely wrong point.

consteval 2y ago
> Overeating is caused by lack of movement and bad diet Is this some kind of joke? A bad diet doesn't cause overeating - overeating IS the bad diet. Also not moving doesn't cause overeating, because how could it? What, I sit down and suddenly a burrito appears in my hands? The cause of overeating is a propensity to overconsume, i.e. you have an addiction. Diet and exercise address the SYMPTOMS, but not the ROOT CAUSE. You STILL have an addiction. In the exact same way someone who is sober is STILL an alcoholic. Because drinking alcohol is not actually the root cause of alcoholism. The root cause is an addiction to alcohol. You can't get rid of the addiction, but you can treat the symptoms - by never drinking, by being sober. But you did not address the root cause. By my logical analysis, I conclude GLP-1 inhibitors better address the root cause than diet and exercise. To further strengthen my point, you've more or less admitted this by pointed out you've been obese "multiple times". If you had addressed the root cause this would be impossible! But you did not address the root cause but merely the symptoms via diet and exercise. You still had the addiction, so when you slipped you became obese again. This cannot happen while taking a GLP-1 inhibitor because you no longer have the extreme desire to eat. Even when you lost weight, you still had the extreme desire to eat.