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And what is the alternative? How do we get it applied to software copyrights?

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
Flip the script and make everything public unless it has a sort-of "license" which explicitly restricts access. People can proactively restrict access to their work, which would allow for lawsuits, and others can see the potentially very restrictive licenses which some will put on their stuff and possibly learn to avoid such licenses. Hard to say how that would look or happen in practice but it's interesting to think about.
- Suppafly 2y ago
  >Hard to say how that would look or happen in practice It's essentially how art worked up until last couple of hundred years, it worked just fine. During most of the most important periods of art history, copyright wasn't a thing.
  - stavros 2y ago
    What also wasn't a thing: Copying an artwork in two seconds with a cost less than a cup of coffee.
    - ipaddr 2y ago
      The person who created the art has been dead for a long time.
      - stavros 2y ago
        Not when they were alive, which is the period we're talking about.
- BlueTemplar 2y ago
  This suggestion reminded me of the ad-hoc open access decrees (aka "letters patent" (aka H-1B visas)) that might have supercharged modern Venice : whether for inventions of glassmaking, inventions of new books, or inventions of the Americas : https://www.ageofinvention.xyz/p/age-of-invention-the-origin-of-patents https://www.ageofinvention.xyz/p/age-of-invention-the-origin... This involved lobbying the local rulers though... so was restricted to few chosen, and I am not certain that the situation would be much different today, because it's hard to imagine enforcement working for widespread ad-hoc licenses ?
- specialist 2y ago
  Double flip the script: Government(s) levy royalties on IP it protects. I'd feel a lot less grumpy about ever expanding scopes for patents and copyrights if we got something (directly) in return.
  - necovek 2y ago
    Any royalties induce some tax fees along the way, so that already happens in theory. Yes, corporations big and small are pretty good at reporting close to zero profit to avoid most of the taxes. But that has still led us exactly where we are at.

Flip the script and make everything public unless it has a sort-of "license" which explicitly restricts access. People can proactively restrict access to their work, which would allow for lawsuits, and others can see the potentially very restrictive licenses which some will put on their stuff and possibly learn to avoid such licenses. Hard to say how that would look or happen in practice but it's interesting to think about.

Suppafly 2y ago
>Hard to say how that would look or happen in practice It's essentially how art worked up until last couple of hundred years, it worked just fine. During most of the most important periods of art history, copyright wasn't a thing.
- stavros 2y ago
  What also wasn't a thing: Copying an artwork in two seconds with a cost less than a cup of coffee.
  - ipaddr 2y ago
    The person who created the art has been dead for a long time.
    - stavros 2y ago
      Not when they were alive, which is the period we're talking about.
BlueTemplar 2y ago
This suggestion reminded me of the ad-hoc open access decrees (aka "letters patent" (aka H-1B visas)) that might have supercharged modern Venice : whether for inventions of glassmaking, inventions of new books, or inventions of the Americas : https://www.ageofinvention.xyz/p/age-of-invention-the-origin-of-patents https://www.ageofinvention.xyz/p/age-of-invention-the-origin... This involved lobbying the local rulers though... so was restricted to few chosen, and I am not certain that the situation would be much different today, because it's hard to imagine enforcement working for widespread ad-hoc licenses ?
specialist 2y ago
Double flip the script: Government(s) levy royalties on IP it protects. I'd feel a lot less grumpy about ever expanding scopes for patents and copyrights if we got something (directly) in return.
- necovek 2y ago
  Any royalties induce some tax fees along the way, so that already happens in theory. Yes, corporations big and small are pretty good at reporting close to zero profit to avoid most of the taxes. But that has still led us exactly where we are at.