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The problem is Tesla and Musk have been lying about full self-driving for years. They have made specific claims of full autonomy with specific timelines and it'

The problem is Tesla and Musk have been lying about full self-driving for years. They have made specific claims of full autonomy with specific timelines and it's been a lie every time: https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ In 2016 a video purporting to show full self-driving with the driver there purely "for legal reasons" was staged and faked: https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-video-promoting-self-driving-was-staged-engineer-testifies-2023-01-17/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-video-promoting-sel... In 2016 Tesla said that "as of today, all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver." That was a lie: https://electrek.co/2024/08/24/tesla-deletes-its-blog-post-stating-all-cars-have-self-driving-hardware/ https://electrek.co/2024/08/24/tesla-deletes-its-blog-post-s... Musk claimed there would be 1 million Tesla robotaxis on the road in 2020. That was a lie: https://www.thedrive.com/news/38129/elon-musk-promised-1-million-tesla-robotaxis-by-the-end-of-2020-where-are-they https://www.thedrive.com/news/38129/elon-musk-promised-1-mil... Tesla claimed Hardware 3 would be capable of full self-driving. When asked about Hardware 3 at Tesla's recent robotaxi event, Musk didn't want to "get nuanced". That's starting to look like fraud: https://electrek.co/2024/10/15/tesla-needs-to-come-clean-about-hw3-before-the-word-fraud-comes-out/ https://electrek.co/2024/10/15/tesla-needs-to-come-clean-abo... Had Tesla simply called it "driver assistance" that wouldn't be a lie. But they didn't do that. They doubled, tripled, quadrupled down on the claim that it is "full self-driving" making the car "an appreciating asset" that it would be "financially insane" not to buy: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/23/elon-musk-any-other-car-than-a-tesla-in-3-years-like-owning-a-horse.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/23/elon-musk-any-other-car-than... https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/03/cars/musk-tesla-cars-value-ev-prices/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/03/cars/musk-tesla-cars-valu... It's not even bullshit artistry. It's just bullshit. Lying is part of the company culture at Tesla. Musk keeps lying because the lies keep working.

whamlastxmas 2y ago
Most of this is extreme hyperbole and it’s really hard to believe this is a genuine good faith attempt at conversation instead of weird astroturfing, bc these tired inaccurate talking points are what come up in literally every single even remotely associated to Elon. It’s like there’s a dossier of talking points everyone is sharing The car drives itself. This is literally undeniable. You can test it today for free. Yeah it doesn’t have the last 0.01% done yet and yeah that’s probably a lot of work. But commenting like the GP is exhausting and just not reflective of reality
- jqpabc123 2y ago
  ... not reflective of reality Kinda like repeated claims of "Full Self Driving" for over a decade.
- peutetre 2y ago
  > bc these tired inaccurate talking points are what come up in literally every single even remotely associated to Elon You understand that the false claims, the inaccuracies, and the lies come from Elon, right? They're associated with him because he is the source of them. They're only tired because he's been telling the same lie year after year.

whamlastxmas 2y ago

Most of this is extreme hyperbole and it’s really hard to believe this is a genuine good faith attempt at conversation instead of weird astroturfing, bc these tired inaccurate talking points are what come up in literally every single even remotely associated to Elon. It’s like there’s a dossier of talking points everyone is sharing The car drives itself. This is literally undeniable. You can test it today for free. Yeah it doesn’t have the last 0.01% done yet and yeah that’s probably a lot of work. But commenting like the GP is exhausting and just not reflective of reality

jqpabc123 2y ago
... not reflective of reality Kinda like repeated claims of "Full Self Driving" for over a decade.
peutetre 2y ago
> bc these tired inaccurate talking points are what come up in literally every single even remotely associated to Elon You understand that the false claims, the inaccuracies, and the lies come from Elon, right? They're associated with him because he is the source of them. They're only tired because he's been telling the same lie year after year.