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It seems that with the advent/improvements in AR/VR that measuring the direct sales of scan data is the wrong way to look at the losses. If many people can exp

It seems that with the advent/improvements in AR/VR that measuring the direct sales of scan data is the wrong way to look at the losses. If many people can experience a 75% compelling viewing of the bust (or the pyramids, Galapagos, Chichen Itza, etc.), the losses in tourism to those sites is far more than the lost sales of scan data.

MichaelZuo 2y ago
This doesn’t seem likely, the major tourist destinations during the busy season are so crowded, or slot limited, that it’s a pretty unpleasant experience. If anything it would reduce overcrowding .
- thfuran 2y ago
  Unless you're suggesting that they'll increase prices proportionally, how would that not result in loss of revenue?
  - ipaddr 2y ago
    If the place is packed you should raise prices.
    - autoexec 2y ago
      Not really. Their goal shouldn't be to maximize profit and they should take care not to price people out from access to cultural artifacts. If the goal is just to reduce the number of visitors then a lottery system or limitations on ticket sales issued on a first come first served basis is far more fair.
      - MichaelZuo 2y ago
        How is pricing by available time to wait any more fair than pricing by available money to spend? It’s not like the average tourist has unrestricted opportunities to visit any day of the year, usually it’s only a narrow number of dates.
        autoexec 2y ago
        > How is pricing by available time to wait any more fair than pricing by available money to spend? Because its a lot easier to get someplace early on your day off than it is to suddenly get into another tax bracket. Even poor people usually get at least one day off every single week. Restricting access by income level is going to leave most people who don't earn enough locked out for their entire lives because upward economic mobility is declining in the EU and a total joke in the US. Certainly when it comes to travel there's already a high barrier and limitations on opportunity so a lottery might be better than only knowing if you'll get in on the day.
        MichaelZuo 2y ago
        No? Those who earn less can save up money, it’s not like it will cost millions of dollars either. And money is a lot more fungible than time, so in literally the dictionary sense, it is just as fair or even better (assuming the pricing stays below say a monthly salary).
        thfuran 2y ago
        You seriously think that other people should have to save up weeks of pay to go to the museum so that you don't have be to near people when you go?
        MichaelZuo 2y ago
        Did you just make up an argument with yourself? I don’t want to vacation to any tourist attraction anytime soon, let alone the places that are currently overcrowded. And if this is your own subconscious desire, it’s a bit bizarre to insert it this deep into a comment chain…
        Tostino 2y ago
        That was the entire point of the comment thread you are replying to. Someone mentioned prices should be increased to reduce demand, and here we are.
      - necovek 2y ago
        Lottery system could plausibly result in resale of tickets and thus reduce to pricing people out. The problem with cases like Mona Lisa is that Louvre never really is that overcrowded, but Mona Lisa attracts a crowd at all times (even if it's less than 1% of all visitors on the grounds of Louvre, that's still a lot).
_aavaa_ 2y ago
I doubt it. People go to see the original Mona Lisa when they can own a reproduction for less than the cost of the flight. I don't see why those who would have gone to see it would suddenly accept a reproduction just because it's AR/VR.
- sokoloff 2y ago
  There are hundreds of places I’d like to experience in my lifetime. I probably have the time left to go to perhaps 50 of them (max). Surely being able to experience some of those 300 in VR will affect my lifetime travel plans and I highly doubt that I’m alone.
  - _aavaa_ 2y ago
    That's my point. Your top 50 are going to stay your top 50. If you've always wanted to see the Mona Lisa in person you're not going to change your plan because you saw an image of it.
    - sokoloff 2y ago
      My top 50 to see in person would definitely change if 25 of them can be experienced in VR. (I might still go in person to my top 3, but there's a lot of nearly even exchange among spots 4-100.)
      - ruthmarx 2y ago
        VR isn't that amazing yet, you may as well just sit close to a big screen curved TV with earphones if going in person isn't ultimately that important. If the smells, sights, people you meet, experience including entering the country and flying, food, traffic, general cultural things etc are not important, why even have it on your list? Travel should be about the journey as much as the destination, when possible.
- ChoHag 2y ago
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necovek 2y ago
There are already compelling POV videos, drone footage, and photos from wonderful angles in brilliant conditions (sunsets, no other tourists...), yet people still go and visit wven if they don't get any of the perfection that may have been captured with these art forms. Simply, the emotions caused and felt when you experience art live, things that run through your mind and how and who with you live it, are not matched by any of the depictions you can get. Even primal senses like feeling the wind, torching sun and smell of your sweat and sand in the desert as you glance at the pyramids are far more immersive than VR will become for another couple of decades at least.

MichaelZuo 2y ago

This doesn’t seem likely, the major tourist destinations during the busy season are so crowded, or slot limited, that it’s a pretty unpleasant experience. If anything it would reduce overcrowding .

thfuran 2y ago
Unless you're suggesting that they'll increase prices proportionally, how would that not result in loss of revenue?
- ipaddr 2y ago
  If the place is packed you should raise prices.
  - autoexec 2y ago
    Not really. Their goal shouldn't be to maximize profit and they should take care not to price people out from access to cultural artifacts. If the goal is just to reduce the number of visitors then a lottery system or limitations on ticket sales issued on a first come first served basis is far more fair.
    - MichaelZuo 2y ago
      How is pricing by available time to wait any more fair than pricing by available money to spend? It’s not like the average tourist has unrestricted opportunities to visit any day of the year, usually it’s only a narrow number of dates.
      - autoexec 2y ago
        > How is pricing by available time to wait any more fair than pricing by available money to spend? Because its a lot easier to get someplace early on your day off than it is to suddenly get into another tax bracket. Even poor people usually get at least one day off every single week. Restricting access by income level is going to leave most people who don't earn enough locked out for their entire lives because upward economic mobility is declining in the EU and a total joke in the US. Certainly when it comes to travel there's already a high barrier and limitations on opportunity so a lottery might be better than only knowing if you'll get in on the day.
        MichaelZuo 2y ago
        No? Those who earn less can save up money, it’s not like it will cost millions of dollars either. And money is a lot more fungible than time, so in literally the dictionary sense, it is just as fair or even better (assuming the pricing stays below say a monthly salary).
        thfuran 2y ago
        You seriously think that other people should have to save up weeks of pay to go to the museum so that you don't have be to near people when you go?
        MichaelZuo 2y ago
        Did you just make up an argument with yourself? I don’t want to vacation to any tourist attraction anytime soon, let alone the places that are currently overcrowded. And if this is your own subconscious desire, it’s a bit bizarre to insert it this deep into a comment chain…
        Tostino 2y ago
        That was the entire point of the comment thread you are replying to. Someone mentioned prices should be increased to reduce demand, and here we are.
    - necovek 2y ago
      Lottery system could plausibly result in resale of tickets and thus reduce to pricing people out. The problem with cases like Mona Lisa is that Louvre never really is that overcrowded, but Mona Lisa attracts a crowd at all times (even if it's less than 1% of all visitors on the grounds of Louvre, that's still a lot).

_aavaa_ 2y ago

I doubt it. People go to see the original Mona Lisa when they can own a reproduction for less than the cost of the flight. I don't see why those who would have gone to see it would suddenly accept a reproduction just because it's AR/VR.

sokoloff 2y ago
There are hundreds of places I’d like to experience in my lifetime. I probably have the time left to go to perhaps 50 of them (max). Surely being able to experience some of those 300 in VR will affect my lifetime travel plans and I highly doubt that I’m alone.
- _aavaa_ 2y ago
  That's my point. Your top 50 are going to stay your top 50. If you've always wanted to see the Mona Lisa in person you're not going to change your plan because you saw an image of it.
  - sokoloff 2y ago
    My top 50 to see in person would definitely change if 25 of them can be experienced in VR. (I might still go in person to my top 3, but there's a lot of nearly even exchange among spots 4-100.)
    - ruthmarx 2y ago
      VR isn't that amazing yet, you may as well just sit close to a big screen curved TV with earphones if going in person isn't ultimately that important. If the smells, sights, people you meet, experience including entering the country and flying, food, traffic, general cultural things etc are not important, why even have it on your list? Travel should be about the journey as much as the destination, when possible.
ChoHag 2y ago
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necovek 2y ago

There are already compelling POV videos, drone footage, and photos from wonderful angles in brilliant conditions (sunsets, no other tourists...), yet people still go and visit wven if they don't get any of the perfection that may have been captured with these art forms. Simply, the emotions caused and felt when you experience art live, things that run through your mind and how and who with you live it, are not matched by any of the depictions you can get. Even primal senses like feeling the wind, torching sun and smell of your sweat and sand in the desert as you glance at the pyramids are far more immersive than VR will become for another couple of decades at least.