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So, is this just a way to do early measurements, to determine if someone might develop ADHD later. Not any indicator of things to 'do' to help not develop ADHD

So, is this just a way to do early measurements, to determine if someone might develop ADHD later. Not any indicator of things to 'do' to help not develop ADHD later? No actions to take? " In contrast, during reward delivery, activation of the bilateral insula, right pallidum and bilateral putamen increased with EFA. There was a significant association of lifetime ADHD symptoms with lower activation in the left ventral striatum during reward anticipation and higher activation in the right insula during reward delivery."

baerrie 2y ago
It says towards the end of the abstract that righting this balance, increasing anticipation dopamine and lowering reward receiving dopamine, could help with adhd
Thorrez 2y ago
>Not any indicator of things to 'do' to help not develop ADHD later? No actions to take? Reduce early life adversity.
082349872349872 2y ago
> No actions to take? The actions to take would appear to depend upon whether one wishes to have fewer adults with lifetime ADHD symptoms, or more*. The childhood adversities to affect either way are from [RutterQuinton77] and listed in TFA's Table S1, abbreviated here: *Low educational level parent with neither school nor training *Overcrowding more than 1.0 person/room or housing<=50m2 Parental disorder moderate to severe DSM-III-R Parental history insitutionalised/deliquent/changes of parental figure Marital discord low partnership in 2 of {harmony,communication,warmth} *Early parenthood a parent <=18 (birth) or relationship <6 months (conc) *One-parent family (at birth) *Unwanted pregnancy an abortion was seriously considered *Poor social network lack of friends & help in child care Severe chronic probs affecting a parent for more than 1 year Poorly coping parent with stressful events of past year The ones marked with * are those factors I believe relatively easier to address via social policy. EDIT: TFA uses different measures, discussed in the section "Definition of Rutter’s indicators of adversity (RIA)": low social class both parents marital discord parents not at same address large family size 4+ children paternal criminality maternal disorder ICD-8: 290–315 or ICD-10: F00-F99 foster placement * for instance, [Huxley32] mentions the practice of inducing fetal alcohol syndrome in order to ensure a steady supply of menial labour
- circlefavshape 2y ago
  More than 1 person per room??? Surely everyone having their own room is a very recent development?
  - jprete 2y ago
    I think that's the whole house, not just bedrooms.
    - lupire 2y ago
      That makes even less sense.
    - hiatus 2y ago
      That would imply ADHD was profoundly more widespread in the generations of our grandparents and before, since 10 or more people sharing an apartment or living space was incredibly common.
      - red-iron-pine 2y ago
        entirely possible that it was, but it was less of an issue when you have to haul water 3km a day and then work in the fields. kinda like autism numbers are going up, but that might simply be because of increased diagnosis. or how "gay" isn't a new thing that's just trending -- the romans and greeks (and ottomans, and the tang dynasty, etc.) were also pretty damn gay too. all super common stuff, just not logged as much
        hiatus 2y ago
        Idk, my grandma and my family from her generation had no problem taking a plane ride without entertainment, and didn't compensate with conversation or the seat back screen.
  - lupire 2y ago
    It's a recent development among poor lower class stressed people, not among calm, comfortable successful people
malfist 2y ago
That's not really how research papers go. You prove a causal link between two things before a future paper tests methodologies to address the link. Though popular reporting on these types of papers will often have speculation from the journalist
- lupire 2y ago
  Correlation, not causation. Randomized controlled trials of human suffering are not ethically approved research.

baerrie 2y ago

It says towards the end of the abstract that righting this balance, increasing anticipation dopamine and lowering reward receiving dopamine, could help with adhd

Thorrez 2y ago

>Not any indicator of things to 'do' to help not develop ADHD later? No actions to take? Reduce early life adversity.

082349872349872 2y ago

> No actions to take? The actions to take would appear to depend upon whether one wishes to have fewer adults with lifetime ADHD symptoms, or more*. The childhood adversities to affect either way are from [RutterQuinton77] and listed in TFA's Table S1, abbreviated here: *Low educational level parent with neither school nor training *Overcrowding more than 1.0 person/room or housing<=50m2 Parental disorder moderate to severe DSM-III-R Parental history insitutionalised/deliquent/changes of parental figure Marital discord low partnership in 2 of {harmony,communication,warmth} *Early parenthood a parent <=18 (birth) or relationship <6 months (conc) *One-parent family (at birth) *Unwanted pregnancy an abortion was seriously considered *Poor social network lack of friends & help in child care Severe chronic probs affecting a parent for more than 1 year Poorly coping parent with stressful events of past year The ones marked with * are those factors I believe relatively easier to address via social policy. EDIT: TFA uses different measures, discussed in the section "Definition of Rutter’s indicators of adversity (RIA)": low social class both parents marital discord parents not at same address large family size 4+ children paternal criminality maternal disorder ICD-8: 290–315 or ICD-10: F00-F99 foster placement * for instance, [Huxley32] mentions the practice of inducing fetal alcohol syndrome in order to ensure a steady supply of menial labour

circlefavshape 2y ago
More than 1 person per room??? Surely everyone having their own room is a very recent development?
- jprete 2y ago
  I think that's the whole house, not just bedrooms.
  - lupire 2y ago
    That makes even less sense.
  - hiatus 2y ago
    That would imply ADHD was profoundly more widespread in the generations of our grandparents and before, since 10 or more people sharing an apartment or living space was incredibly common.
    - red-iron-pine 2y ago
      entirely possible that it was, but it was less of an issue when you have to haul water 3km a day and then work in the fields. kinda like autism numbers are going up, but that might simply be because of increased diagnosis. or how "gay" isn't a new thing that's just trending -- the romans and greeks (and ottomans, and the tang dynasty, etc.) were also pretty damn gay too. all super common stuff, just not logged as much
      - hiatus 2y ago
        Idk, my grandma and my family from her generation had no problem taking a plane ride without entertainment, and didn't compensate with conversation or the seat back screen.
- lupire 2y ago
  It's a recent development among poor lower class stressed people, not among calm, comfortable successful people

malfist 2y ago

That's not really how research papers go. You prove a causal link between two things before a future paper tests methodologies to address the link. Though popular reporting on these types of papers will often have speculation from the journalist

lupire 2y ago
Correlation, not causation. Randomized controlled trials of human suffering are not ethically approved research.