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First Sam creates the situation where distinguishing humans from bots on the web becomes harder, then asks everyone to trust him with biometric data to work aro

by latexr 2y ago

First Sam creates the situation where distinguishing humans from bots on the web becomes harder, then asks everyone to trust him with biometric data to work around the problem he created. Everyone loses, except for him. Reminder that Worldcoin is a know scam, banned in several countries due to privacy concerns. https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/06/1048981/worldcoin-cryptocurrency-biometrics-web3/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/06/1048981/worldcoi... https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/worldcoin-crypto-eyeball-scanning-orb-problems https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/worldcoin-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldcoin#Legal_and_regulatory_issues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldcoin#Legal_and_regulatory...

JohnFen 2y ago
Altman came into my awareness because of WorldCoin, and that effort is what made me view him with deep suspicion. It's like he went out of his way to do a very creepy thing in the creepiest possible way. I wouldn't be happy to use any "identity token" like that, but there's exactly zero chance that I'd be willing to use WorldCoin. I don't think they're anywhere near trustworthy enough as a company, and my trust in Altman is even lower. If having some kind of identity token becomes nonoptional, then I want it to be run by the government -- they already have my identity information anyway so at least that way my surface area hasn't expanded.
tim333 2y ago
Those articles are very biased eg. >all it's done is build a biometric database from the bodies of the poor I'm a worldcoiner. All that happened is I went to a cafe in London, they took a picture of my eyes without asking to know my name and gave me a Worldcoin account, which is mostly a crypto wallet, associated with that eye scan. I've since received coins worth about $250 and changed half to usd. I don't feel scammed or exploited and my privacy is invaded a lot less than by the likes of Google and Facebook who know a lot about me rather than just account 555636... has retinas 6gg663gghhs... I'm not sure database from the bodies of the poor really matches my experience. Sam didn't create AI - it would have happened anyway. As to World(coin)s other objectives of providing an anonymous id system and payment network I don't know. Those don't seem to have kicked in in practice although who knows. I think the take up is too low at the moment really. By the way this has a pic of the new orb thing https://www.pcmag.com/news/sam-altman-worldcoin-launches-deep-face-new-eye-scanning-orb https://www.pcmag.com/news/sam-altman-worldcoin-launches-dee... and they are now launching their own ethereum L2 and you can write 'mini apps' for it that pop up within the main World(coin) app I think https://minikit-docs.vercel.app/mini-apps https://minikit-docs.vercel.app/mini-apps
- latexr 2y ago
  > Those articles are very biased What you quoted is not an example of bias, it’s just a statement you disagree with. You also ignored the bit of countries banning it. > I'm a worldcoiner. Thus have a vested interest in its success. That is an example of potential bias. > I don't feel scammed or exploited Neither do you seem too happy about it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41886812 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41886812 > my privacy is invaded a lot less than by the likes of Google and Facebook You don’t know that. All you know is what they say, and that’s worth very little. Companies lie and cheat all the time. For example, on their FAQ they say the orb deletes the data “by default”, which implies there is a way to not have it deleted. That alone should give you pause. And this is not yet widespread enough for anyone to know the worst consequences. > Sam didn't create AI Neither did I say he did. > it would have happened anyway. You don’t know (nor do I) if it would have been released this irresponsibly, making other companies do the same, if not for Sam and OpenAI. In fact, we know Google had working systems like this before ChatGPT and they chose to not release them.
  - tim333 2y ago
    Well my impression form first hand experience with Worldcoin is they are biased.
    - latexr 2y ago
      Respectfully, one person’s subjective opinion doesn’t mean much. Those reporters spoke to much more than one person. It doesn’t even seem like you investigated it or anything, you’re just going by gut feeling based on what happened to you individually. It’s like you’re seeing a report of an earthquake that demolished half a city and calling them biased because your house didn’t collapse.
      - tim333 2y ago
        Actually looking at the articles again most of the discrepancy seems to be they were from 2022 before the Worldcoin crypto payouts started in 2023 which is why the people in them were annoyed they hadn't been paid, whereas I joined after that and was paid out straight away.

by latexr 2y ago

JohnFen 2y ago

Altman came into my awareness because of WorldCoin, and that effort is what made me view him with deep suspicion. It's like he went out of his way to do a very creepy thing in the creepiest possible way. I wouldn't be happy to use any "identity token" like that, but there's exactly zero chance that I'd be willing to use WorldCoin. I don't think they're anywhere near trustworthy enough as a company, and my trust in Altman is even lower. If having some kind of identity token becomes nonoptional, then I want it to be run by the government -- they already have my identity information anyway so at least that way my surface area hasn't expanded.

tim333 2y ago

Those articles are very biased eg. >all it's done is build a biometric database from the bodies of the poor I'm a worldcoiner. All that happened is I went to a cafe in London, they took a picture of my eyes without asking to know my name and gave me a Worldcoin account, which is mostly a crypto wallet, associated with that eye scan. I've since received coins worth about $250 and changed half to usd. I don't feel scammed or exploited and my privacy is invaded a lot less than by the likes of Google and Facebook who know a lot about me rather than just account 555636... has retinas 6gg663gghhs... I'm not sure database from the bodies of the poor really matches my experience. Sam didn't create AI - it would have happened anyway. As to World(coin)s other objectives of providing an anonymous id system and payment network I don't know. Those don't seem to have kicked in in practice although who knows. I think the take up is too low at the moment really. By the way this has a pic of the new orb thing https://www.pcmag.com/news/sam-altman-worldcoin-launches-deep-face-new-eye-scanning-orb https://www.pcmag.com/news/sam-altman-worldcoin-launches-dee... and they are now launching their own ethereum L2 and you can write 'mini apps' for it that pop up within the main World(coin) app I think https://minikit-docs.vercel.app/mini-apps https://minikit-docs.vercel.app/mini-apps

latexr 2y ago
> Those articles are very biased What you quoted is not an example of bias, it’s just a statement you disagree with. You also ignored the bit of countries banning it. > I'm a worldcoiner. Thus have a vested interest in its success. That is an example of potential bias. > I don't feel scammed or exploited Neither do you seem too happy about it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41886812 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41886812 > my privacy is invaded a lot less than by the likes of Google and Facebook You don’t know that. All you know is what they say, and that’s worth very little. Companies lie and cheat all the time. For example, on their FAQ they say the orb deletes the data “by default”, which implies there is a way to not have it deleted. That alone should give you pause. And this is not yet widespread enough for anyone to know the worst consequences. > Sam didn't create AI Neither did I say he did. > it would have happened anyway. You don’t know (nor do I) if it would have been released this irresponsibly, making other companies do the same, if not for Sam and OpenAI. In fact, we know Google had working systems like this before ChatGPT and they chose to not release them.
- tim333 2y ago
  Well my impression form first hand experience with Worldcoin is they are biased.
  - latexr 2y ago
    Respectfully, one person’s subjective opinion doesn’t mean much. Those reporters spoke to much more than one person. It doesn’t even seem like you investigated it or anything, you’re just going by gut feeling based on what happened to you individually. It’s like you’re seeing a report of an earthquake that demolished half a city and calling them biased because your house didn’t collapse.
    - tim333 2y ago
      Actually looking at the articles again most of the discrepancy seems to be they were from 2022 before the Worldcoin crypto payouts started in 2023 which is why the people in them were annoyed they hadn't been paid, whereas I joined after that and was paid out straight away.