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> And it’s safe, which a country without a strong legal safety net and a lot of poverty arguably shouldn’t be. There’s no real urban crime. Interesting, my out

> And it’s safe, which a country without a strong legal safety net and a lot of poverty arguably shouldn’t be. There’s no real urban crime. Interesting, my outside view without any concrete data was that India is relatively unsafe.

SanjayMehta 2y ago
There is urban crime, but it’s petty. Once a mob forms the victim of the crime usually ends up defending the pickpocket from a thrashing. Rarely is there knife or gun violence as is reported from the UK or the US.
- watwut 2y ago
  I have checked out stats and violent crime specifically is higher in India. UK has slightly more murders. Overall, they are very comparable https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/India/United-Kingdom/Crime https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/India/Unit...
  - echoangle 2y ago
    Comparing statistics like this between countries isn’t as easy as comparing the numbers though, the ratio of registered cases can vary and definitions of crimes can also be different.
    - watwut 2y ago
      Sure, it is not exact. But rhe claim was literally India has almost no violence while UK has. Even if this stat is inaccurate, it still shows India having plenty of violence and makes the claim dubious.
      - echoangle 2y ago
        Right, I actually wanted to say that India might actually be worse than the stats show, not that the UK is actually worse than India as claimed. Maybe it’s bias but I trust UK stats more than Indian stats.
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bigbluedots 2y ago
It is less safe for women than men unfortunately.
rirze 2y ago
It's also very regional-- a lot of the sensational sexual assault cases are in the more economically-downwards states. Big metropolitan cities rarely have the heinous crimes we're so used to seeing in the Western world.
fy20 2y ago
I just got back from a trip to India (I'm European), and it's a lot safer than you would expect. I'd say in general there is less crime and people are more honest than if you go to some tourist areas in Europe - say the center of Milan. Even taxi drivers gave us local prices (we stayed with locals so asked them). The only thing to me that's a bit crazy is the roads. My friend offered me a newspaper to read and the headlines were about a bus crash that killed a bunch of people (we were getting a bus that night). From what I understand, if there is an accident where someone gets injured, it's quite common for the other party to just drive off and leave them - which as a European is basically unheard of, unless someone is DUI and doesn't realise.
- echoangle 2y ago
  I don’t want to discount your experience but I don’t think you can really judge safety by going somewhere. If I went to the US, what’s the probability of witnessing a shooting? What does that tell me about the safety there (specifically regarding gun deaths), relative to where I come from (Germany)? Just because I don’t personally witness anything doesn’t mean I would classify it as safe, because even unsafe countries probably aren’t that dangerous that most visitors are personally affected (unless you’re going somewhere really crazy like active warzones).
  - odux 2y ago
    As someone who grew up in India but lives in the US, the situation is pretty comparable. US has a gun violence problem but only if you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. Or you are part of a gang. Otherwise you can spend years in the US without even hearing a gunshot or seeing a gun in real life. Murders, Rapes, kidnappings are the same in India. Unless you are at the wrong place at the wrong time or part of a targeted group (not necessarily gangs), you may not even know these happen. Traffic accidents are more common (and lack of a good emergency response system - like EMTs in the US, make it worse). Perry crimes of opportunity are everywhere. Like pickpockets or scamming people with higher prices/fake goods. But this is relatively easy to look for and avoid.
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SanjayMehta 2y ago

There is urban crime, but it’s petty. Once a mob forms the victim of the crime usually ends up defending the pickpocket from a thrashing. Rarely is there knife or gun violence as is reported from the UK or the US.

watwut 2y ago
I have checked out stats and violent crime specifically is higher in India. UK has slightly more murders. Overall, they are very comparable https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/India/United-Kingdom/Crime https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/India/Unit...
- echoangle 2y ago
  Comparing statistics like this between countries isn’t as easy as comparing the numbers though, the ratio of registered cases can vary and definitions of crimes can also be different.
  - watwut 2y ago
    Sure, it is not exact. But rhe claim was literally India has almost no violence while UK has. Even if this stat is inaccurate, it still shows India having plenty of violence and makes the claim dubious.
    - echoangle 2y ago
      Right, I actually wanted to say that India might actually be worse than the stats show, not that the UK is actually worse than India as claimed. Maybe it’s bias but I trust UK stats more than Indian stats.

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bigbluedots 2y ago

It is less safe for women than men unfortunately.

rirze 2y ago

It's also very regional-- a lot of the sensational sexual assault cases are in the more economically-downwards states. Big metropolitan cities rarely have the heinous crimes we're so used to seeing in the Western world.

fy20 2y ago

I just got back from a trip to India (I'm European), and it's a lot safer than you would expect. I'd say in general there is less crime and people are more honest than if you go to some tourist areas in Europe - say the center of Milan. Even taxi drivers gave us local prices (we stayed with locals so asked them). The only thing to me that's a bit crazy is the roads. My friend offered me a newspaper to read and the headlines were about a bus crash that killed a bunch of people (we were getting a bus that night). From what I understand, if there is an accident where someone gets injured, it's quite common for the other party to just drive off and leave them - which as a European is basically unheard of, unless someone is DUI and doesn't realise.

echoangle 2y ago
I don’t want to discount your experience but I don’t think you can really judge safety by going somewhere. If I went to the US, what’s the probability of witnessing a shooting? What does that tell me about the safety there (specifically regarding gun deaths), relative to where I come from (Germany)? Just because I don’t personally witness anything doesn’t mean I would classify it as safe, because even unsafe countries probably aren’t that dangerous that most visitors are personally affected (unless you’re going somewhere really crazy like active warzones).
- odux 2y ago
  As someone who grew up in India but lives in the US, the situation is pretty comparable. US has a gun violence problem but only if you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. Or you are part of a gang. Otherwise you can spend years in the US without even hearing a gunshot or seeing a gun in real life. Murders, Rapes, kidnappings are the same in India. Unless you are at the wrong place at the wrong time or part of a targeted group (not necessarily gangs), you may not even know these happen. Traffic accidents are more common (and lack of a good emergency response system - like EMTs in the US, make it worse). Perry crimes of opportunity are everywhere. Like pickpockets or scamming people with higher prices/fake goods. But this is relatively easy to look for and avoid.

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