3 ms·

Not exactly random. It's not hard to tell which website is official 7-zip website. Also choco and scoop exist on Windows. > As good as the worst possible optio

Not exactly random. It's not hard to tell which website is official 7-zip website. Also choco and scoop exist on Windows. > As good as the worst possible option on Linux. I understand this is not a fair comparison, but in practice, they're not as easy. When using Windows, I usually use it with a proper GUI interface, so popping up a browser and download the newest installer for a software from their official website would take me less than 1 min. Doing similar for my Linux VPS with only a terminal is much more complicated.

MaKey 2y ago
> Doing similar for my Linux VPS with only a terminal is much more complicated. sudo apt-get install p7zip-full
- thrdbndndn 2y ago
  I'm replying to the "the worst possible option on Linux", i.e. when the said software is not available in package manager. 7-zip is just a (bad) example; since you can install 7-zip using `choco install 7zip.install` on Windows too. I meant to say when you can't find the software you want in package manager, it's easier to download it manually and install it on Windows than (again, unfair comparison) a terminal-only Linux server.
  - MaKey 2y ago
    > I meant to say when you can't find the software you want in package manager, it's easier to download it manually and install it on Windows than (again, unfair comparison) a terminal-only Linux server. In that case you would just copy the download link and paste it into your terminal session. It's rarely needed though as most software is available through your distribution's software repositories.
KronisLV 2y ago
> Doing similar for my Linux VPS with only a terminal is much more complicated. Debian/Ubuntu: sudo apt update sudo apt upgrade Fedora/RHEL: sudo dnf update Arch: sudo pacman -Syu Alpine Linux: apk update apk add --upgrade apk-tools apk upgrade --available Of course, if the package you need isn't available in the standard repos, then you'll need to look elsewhere (e.g. PPAs or third party repos). There's also options like Flatpak and AppImage if you want something that's a bit closer to how you'd choose to install new releases on Windows. If I wanted to update all of the installed software I have on my Windows install, there'd basically be no way for me to do this, outside of shady update manager software. At the same time, I get the appeal of being able to just download a new release and install it, both AppImage on Linux and the way you install software on macOS (just drag the file into Applications) seem similarly pleasant to me in that regard. To expand on the latter (the response got deleted), you can very much do something like https://peazip.github.io/peazip-linux.html https://peazip.github.io/peazip-linux.html (I wish 7-Zip was available on Linux natively, but as far as GUI software goes, PeaZip is pretty nice) however that's not the most common approach. You should generally prefer using the package manager when you can.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- thrdbndndn 2y ago
  Sorry I wasn't very clear, it's totally on me. On average, the experience of upgrading/managing packages is obviously much better than Windows. I meant to say in certain cases (like the `unzip` example I mentioned above), when the system's build-in package manager fails, I seem to not be able to find alternatives like what I did on Windows (just find the piece of binary I want and manually install it). I to this day still can't find a way to update `unzip` to a version that supports AES on my Debian VPS.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - MaKey 2y ago
    > I to this day still can't find a way to update `unzip` to a version that supports AES on my Debian VPS. Maybe because there is none? I quickly googled and found this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unzip/+bug/220654 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unzip/+bug/220654 For archives encrypted with aes-256 p7unzip-full can be used. This is not a Linux only issue though, the native Windows unzip tool also doesn't seem to support aes-256 (yet): https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/how-do-i-add-aes-256-decryption-support-for-zip/3539e845-0e94-4693-aae3-c17099f885aa https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/how-do...
    - thrdbndndn 2y ago
      https://stackoverflow.com/questions/60674080/how-to-open-winzip-password-protected-archive/60676298#60676298 https://stackoverflow.com/questions/60674080/how-to-open-win... The author in this answer clearly has a version of unzip that can detect "AES_WG". Unfortunately they only vaguely said (in one of the comment) "Since then the main Linux distros have added patches to fix various issues" and didn't specify which distro.
reshlo 2y ago
> choco and scoop And winget.

MaKey 2y ago

> Doing similar for my Linux VPS with only a terminal is much more complicated. sudo apt-get install p7zip-full

thrdbndndn 2y ago
I'm replying to the "the worst possible option on Linux", i.e. when the said software is not available in package manager. 7-zip is just a (bad) example; since you can install 7-zip using `choco install 7zip.install` on Windows too. I meant to say when you can't find the software you want in package manager, it's easier to download it manually and install it on Windows than (again, unfair comparison) a terminal-only Linux server.
- MaKey 2y ago
  > I meant to say when you can't find the software you want in package manager, it's easier to download it manually and install it on Windows than (again, unfair comparison) a terminal-only Linux server. In that case you would just copy the download link and paste it into your terminal session. It's rarely needed though as most software is available through your distribution's software repositories.

KronisLV 2y ago

> Doing similar for my Linux VPS with only a terminal is much more complicated. Debian/Ubuntu: sudo apt update sudo apt upgrade Fedora/RHEL: sudo dnf update Arch: sudo pacman -Syu Alpine Linux: apk update apk add --upgrade apk-tools apk upgrade --available Of course, if the package you need isn't available in the standard repos, then you'll need to look elsewhere (e.g. PPAs or third party repos). There's also options like Flatpak and AppImage if you want something that's a bit closer to how you'd choose to install new releases on Windows. If I wanted to update all of the installed software I have on my Windows install, there'd basically be no way for me to do this, outside of shady update manager software. At the same time, I get the appeal of being able to just download a new release and install it, both AppImage on Linux and the way you install software on macOS (just drag the file into Applications) seem similarly pleasant to me in that regard. To expand on the latter (the response got deleted), you can very much do something like https://peazip.github.io/peazip-linux.html https://peazip.github.io/peazip-linux.html (I wish 7-Zip was available on Linux natively, but as far as GUI software goes, PeaZip is pretty nice) however that's not the most common approach. You should generally prefer using the package manager when you can.

deleted 2y ago
[deleted]
thrdbndndn 2y ago
Sorry I wasn't very clear, it's totally on me. On average, the experience of upgrading/managing packages is obviously much better than Windows. I meant to say in certain cases (like the `unzip` example I mentioned above), when the system's build-in package manager fails, I seem to not be able to find alternatives like what I did on Windows (just find the piece of binary I want and manually install it). I to this day still can't find a way to update `unzip` to a version that supports AES on my Debian VPS.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- MaKey 2y ago
  > I to this day still can't find a way to update `unzip` to a version that supports AES on my Debian VPS. Maybe because there is none? I quickly googled and found this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unzip/+bug/220654 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unzip/+bug/220654 For archives encrypted with aes-256 p7unzip-full can be used. This is not a Linux only issue though, the native Windows unzip tool also doesn't seem to support aes-256 (yet): https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/how-do-i-add-aes-256-decryption-support-for-zip/3539e845-0e94-4693-aae3-c17099f885aa https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/how-do...
  - thrdbndndn 2y ago
    https://stackoverflow.com/questions/60674080/how-to-open-winzip-password-protected-archive/60676298#60676298 https://stackoverflow.com/questions/60674080/how-to-open-win... The author in this answer clearly has a version of unzip that can detect "AES_WG". Unfortunately they only vaguely said (in one of the comment) "Since then the main Linux distros have added patches to fix various issues" and didn't specify which distro.

reshlo 2y ago

> choco and scoop And winget.