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How about we end the TSA instead. It’s provably pointless security theater. Their own pen tests show it to be ineffective.

by ein0p 2y ago

AnarchismIsCool 2y ago
I'm sitting on a plane with a bag full of knives, can confirm, they aren't doing shit
llamaimperative 2y ago
TSA detected 6700+ firearms in 2023, 93% of which were loaded. I like that people can’t accidentally bring a loaded gun onto my plane and are deterred from doing it on purpose. A committed attacker can probably get by TSA, but a committed attacker will also likely flag other parts of the layered defense system that TSA is only one part of. The intelligence apparatus can and does flag specific threats to TSA, which is way better than FBI having to figure out ad-hoc how to screen millions of travelers whenever they think there’s a specific credible risk.
- ein0p 2y ago
  https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/tsa-fails-tests-latest-undercover-operation-us-airports/story?id=51022188 https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/tsa-fails-tests-latest-underco... I have no reason to believe this got any better since then. So they accidentally caught a bunch of dudes who don’t read the fine print. Any determined adversary would have no issue at all bringing guns or explosives onboard whether or not I “remove my shoes and put my laptop in the bin”. It’s only a matter of time. Don’t like it? Stop funding genocide in the Middle East.
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    Did you reply to the wrong comment? I don't know if you're familiar with guns, but you actually don't have to be a sophisticated committed ideologue to be dangerous with them. Especially on an airplane. You ever seen a drunk asshole on a plane? Now add a couple loaded firearms to the mix, held by drunk person or by person annoyed by drunk person. Sufficiently dangerous for me to be thankful TSA intercepts thousands of them every year. > Any determined adversary would have no issue at all bringing guns or explosives onboard whether or not I “remove my shoes and put my laptop in the bin”. It’s only a matter of time. Don’t like it? Stop funding genocide in the Middle East. Yet, stunningly, the number of times someone has brought a bomb or a gun through TSA and committed a terrorist act with it since 9/11 is exactly zero times.
  - nerdponx 2y ago
    This is the same nonsense argument that people use in favor of abolishing police. "They only catch some crime and keep some criminals off the streets, not all of it" is a totally nonsensical reason to get rid of the institution entirely. I will leave it to the sibling comment or to describe in detail how wrong you are about guns specifically.
  - ClassyJacket 2y ago
    This is a logical fallacy. Bring unable to stop 100% of something doesn't mean you should give up. If they're stopping over 90% that's reason to keep going. The same argument can be used for almost any risk reduction techniques, including air bags and seatbelts, and it's wrong there too.

How about we end the TSA instead. It’s provably pointless security theater. Their own pen tests show it to be ineffective.

by ein0p 2y ago

How about we end the TSA instead. It’s provably pointless security theater. Their own pen tests show it to be ineffective.

AnarchismIsCool 2y ago

I'm sitting on a plane with a bag full of knives, can confirm, they aren't doing shit

llamaimperative 2y ago

TSA detected 6700+ firearms in 2023, 93% of which were loaded. I like that people can’t accidentally bring a loaded gun onto my plane and are deterred from doing it on purpose. A committed attacker can probably get by TSA, but a committed attacker will also likely flag other parts of the layered defense system that TSA is only one part of. The intelligence apparatus can and does flag specific threats to TSA, which is way better than FBI having to figure out ad-hoc how to screen millions of travelers whenever they think there’s a specific credible risk.

ein0p 2y ago
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/tsa-fails-tests-latest-undercover-operation-us-airports/story?id=51022188 https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/tsa-fails-tests-latest-underco... I have no reason to believe this got any better since then. So they accidentally caught a bunch of dudes who don’t read the fine print. Any determined adversary would have no issue at all bringing guns or explosives onboard whether or not I “remove my shoes and put my laptop in the bin”. It’s only a matter of time. Don’t like it? Stop funding genocide in the Middle East.
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  Did you reply to the wrong comment? I don't know if you're familiar with guns, but you actually don't have to be a sophisticated committed ideologue to be dangerous with them. Especially on an airplane. You ever seen a drunk asshole on a plane? Now add a couple loaded firearms to the mix, held by drunk person or by person annoyed by drunk person. Sufficiently dangerous for me to be thankful TSA intercepts thousands of them every year. > Any determined adversary would have no issue at all bringing guns or explosives onboard whether or not I “remove my shoes and put my laptop in the bin”. It’s only a matter of time. Don’t like it? Stop funding genocide in the Middle East. Yet, stunningly, the number of times someone has brought a bomb or a gun through TSA and committed a terrorist act with it since 9/11 is exactly zero times.
- nerdponx 2y ago
  This is the same nonsense argument that people use in favor of abolishing police. "They only catch some crime and keep some criminals off the streets, not all of it" is a totally nonsensical reason to get rid of the institution entirely. I will leave it to the sibling comment or to describe in detail how wrong you are about guns specifically.
- ClassyJacket 2y ago
  This is a logical fallacy. Bring unable to stop 100% of something doesn't mean you should give up. If they're stopping over 90% that's reason to keep going. The same argument can be used for almost any risk reduction techniques, including air bags and seatbelts, and it's wrong there too.