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Where do you get the "low-quality" part from - my experience with NotebookLM is that they create much higher quality, more informative, more fact based, and mor
by ghshephard 2y ago
Where do you get the "low-quality" part from - my experience with NotebookLM is that they create much higher quality, more informative, more fact based, and more concise podcasts than 99% of the stuff I listen to. I've mostly switched entirely over to NotebookLM for my podcast listening. They, generally, offer a far higher quality experience from my perspective.
Maybe you have the problem backwards - we accidentally end up listening to non NotebookLM podcasts?
- 3abiton 2y agoIt's interesting assumption that by virtue of being AI generated, it's considered bad/fake. 20 years ago, people hated how photoshop changed the photo design industry, NotebookLM is knocking on the door now.
- ben_w 2y agoI'm excited by AI, but I've also tried using this specific one to generate a podcast based on one of my own blog posts and will only try again due to this product announcement rather than because I think the state of the art is already "there". On the plus side, the speech is almost perfect; so good, that I sincerely hope the voices themselves are never fully under user control. With regards to the actual summary of the content I gave them, I would say they are grade B: only mostly correct, they're still inventing things I didn't say and missing things I did say. That's not to say humans don't make mistakes, I still consider this objectively impressive, that is able to reach even this level was SciFi when I was a kid — but why waste time on a grade-B podcast when the AAA-tier costs you as a consumer a 30 second advert?
- ryanjamurphy 2y agoThere's an ethical/moral-luck dilemma at the heart of this. If a AAA-tier podcast on the subject you want to listen to a podcast about exists (and you know about it), then that's probably a better (and obvious) choice for your listening time. However, if you want to listen to someone discuss or explain something and you don't know about a AAA-tier podcast, it's possible that a generated podcast is better than nothing. On the other hand, it's also possible that the generated podcast will miss or hallucinate a key detail, and herein lies the dilemma. Is it better to listen to something that might get something wrong, or not to listen and perhaps someday to learn about the subject through some other form that is less likely to include mistakes?
- croes 2y agoThanks to Photoshop and the similar, many people have a false idea of what a normal body looks like. If AI texts have a similar effect then AI = bad is quite correct.
- sgerenser 2y agoInteresting, are there any podcasts in particular that you recommend? Everything I’ve heard from it just seems like the most banal, cookie cutter stereotype of a podcast with nothing but extremely surface level summarization of a given article, peppered with random cliches and fake sounding reactions “Wow! ok, so let’s hear more about that. I’m intrigued!” “OK, let’s dive deep.” Etc.
- ghshephard 2y agoDeepDive AI - I'm addicted to it.
- phainopepla2 2y agoThat does not appear to be an AI generated podcast.
- sgerenser 2y agoThere’s a normal, human generated podcast called Deep Dive: AI (https://deepdive.opensource.org/ https://deepdive.opensource.org/). There’s also a confusingly similar named podcast Deep Dive AI that appears to only have one episode and is NotebookLM generated. Which one are you referring to? Edit: If I'm understanding it correctly after some googling, supposedly the "name" of all podcasts generated by NotebookLM is "Deep Dive"? That's just confusing.
- magicalhippo 2y agoA coworker fed some EU trade regulation page and its official FAQ to NotebookLM, and I was quite impressed with the results. It was factually accurate, and presented the topic in a manner that was easy to digest and kept it interesting. I didn't plan to but ended up listening to the whole thing, and I normally don't enjoy the podcast format. For someone new to the topic, it'd be a pretty great intro compared to reading the official pages.
- Kurtz79 2y agoYes. For example I fed it a public tender and associated regulations in Norwegian and it was able to answer questions about the parts I mas interested in correctly and succinctly. I have also fed it research papers that normally I would not have the patience or knowledge to go through on my own. In terms of actual usefulness, it’s one of the AI tools that most impressed me. The main issue is, of course, privacy. I have tried to reproduce something similar using AnythingLLM and the low tier Llama models, but of course the experience is much worse, both in terms of results, response times and UI. If someone knows of a better local setup, I’m all ears. I would consider a Workspace subscription if I could actually trust Google to make good on the commitment of not reading your stuff, which I’m finding hard to do…
- frabcus 2y agoPersonally, I hate even the idea of an AI made podcast, because to me podcasts are personal and emotional. They're about the individual humans who make them. They're not just a source of "information".
- drusepth 2y agoI'm glad there are different kinds of podcasts for different people now. I've always absolutely hated the focus on the individual humans and their personalities behind the podcast, and wished they'd be a better source of well-structured "information". I never listened to a podcast I didn't get frustrated with, even at 2x speed. These NotebookLM podcasts have been exactly what I've always wished podcasts were.
- alvah 2y agoHave you listened to any audio overviews in NotebookLM? They can be surprisingly good.
- blihp 2y agoI don't know... I think it's pretty cool. In fact, I just found a podcast talking about this very thread (about a minute in, your comment even gets discussed ;-) https://drive.google.com/file/d/130s6OzcfsZam8V-6S5ugKmc0M7ONaugy/view?usp=drive_link https://drive.google.com/file/d/130s6OzcfsZam8V-6S5ugKmc0M7O... I may have to re-task my paperclip making AI on generating podcasts...
- sam345 2y agoThat has not been my experience. The podcasts are vapid and full of cliches.
- tomjen3 2y agoOkay, I will bite. Its trained on too many shallow podcasts. Go compare any of NotebookLM podcast with an episode of Hardcore History. The latter goes into much more depth (even when you account of it being much longer).
- GTP 2y agoI think OP is presenting a different problem: while this tool gives the possibility of creating good quality podcasts, it also enables spammers to quickly generate tons of garbage episodes just to profit from the advertisement they put in it.
- ramraj07 2y agoThat’s the same point being discussed: who’s to say this podcast is more garbage than the average podcast listened to by users?
- GTP 2y agoNo, it's not the same: being able to generate podcasts quickly means that we could get a lot more garbage content. The point here is about quantity.
- nneonneo 2y agoGoody, let’s just drive out all the human creators who actually interview real experts and go in depth on a subject, with AI-generated voices and summaries. If AI ends up destroying humanity, it isn’t going to be through weapons and death robots, but just by entertaining and placating us all to death.