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This is definitely not a new issue. What I’m aiming for is to ensure that the NotebookLM team is aware of the impact and actively considering it. Hopefully, th

by wenbin 2y ago

This is definitely not a new issue. What I’m aiming for is to ensure that the NotebookLM team is aware of the impact and actively considering it. Hopefully, they are already working on tools or mechanisms to address the problem—ideally before their colleagues at YouTube and Google Search come asking for help to fight NotebookLM-generated spams :) It's certainly easier for the creators of genAI to build detection tools than for outsiders to do so. AI audio detection is a hard problem - https://www.npr.org/2024/04/05/1241446778/deepfake-audio-detection https://www.npr.org/2024/04/05/1241446778/deepfake-audio-det...

criddell 2y ago
> What I’m aiming for is to ensure that the NotebookLM team is aware of the impact and actively considering it. What is the impact? Have any of them attracted an audience of any meaningful size? If a month from now there are 1.3 million generated podcasts, what do you anticipate the fallout to be?
- sgdfhijfgsdfgds 2y ago
  > If a month from now there are 1.3 million generated podcasts, what do you anticipate the fallout to be? Is this a rhetorical question? Because the answer for podcast indexing and search services is surely pretty obvious.
  - criddell 2y ago
    Why is it a problem? There's even more material for those services now and for their customers, the value these services can provide is even higher.
    - ungreased0675 2y ago
      Wouldn’t the value be lower if podcasts end up the way product review blogs have? Endless spam that causes people to append “Reddit” to their searches in hopes of finding something human generated.
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      - sgdfhijfgsdfgds 2y ago
        Exactly this. It's obvious that generative AI content is bad for search and indexing, and I wish more people would learn to extrapolate from the forms of the problem that already exist, that the quality of the generated content is not going to solve the "please, god, find me something a real person actually said about this real thing" problem. I just don't understand how people can pretend this isn't happening just because they find each new twist of a technology fascinating.
        criddell 2y ago
        > It's obvious that generative AI content is bad for search and indexing It's not obvious at all. You see a problem, I see opportunities. The person you responded to mentioned Reddit. Well, the glut of garbage on the internet makes Reddit more valuable. The "please, god, find me something a real person actually said about this real thing" isn't actually a problem very many people have. Despite all the complaining here, most people are happy with the results they get when they search Google or Bing or Facebook or Reddit. So like every technology, there are positives and negatives. It isn't clear to me where this all nets out but I'm leaning slightly positive. And if you don't find this technology fascinating, then I'm not sure what to say.
        Dilettante_ 2y ago
        >Well, the glut of garbage on the internet makes Reddit more valuable. If given the choice between a dime and a fiver, is the fiver somehow worth more than if I'd offered you the choice between a fiver and a tenner instead?
- BlueTemplar 2y ago
  The impact of cheap spam, as in the other cases, is to push people towards platforms. You can even see it in the case of e-mail spam, where while technically not platforms, it helped Gmail and Hotmail to become so big that they can basically impose their own rules on the protocol.
oldpersonintx 2y ago
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by wenbin 2y ago

criddell 2y ago

> What I’m aiming for is to ensure that the NotebookLM team is aware of the impact and actively considering it. What is the impact? Have any of them attracted an audience of any meaningful size? If a month from now there are 1.3 million generated podcasts, what do you anticipate the fallout to be?

sgdfhijfgsdfgds 2y ago
> If a month from now there are 1.3 million generated podcasts, what do you anticipate the fallout to be? Is this a rhetorical question? Because the answer for podcast indexing and search services is surely pretty obvious.
- criddell 2y ago
  Why is it a problem? There's even more material for those services now and for their customers, the value these services can provide is even higher.
  - ungreased0675 2y ago
    Wouldn’t the value be lower if podcasts end up the way product review blogs have? Endless spam that causes people to append “Reddit” to their searches in hopes of finding something human generated.
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    - sgdfhijfgsdfgds 2y ago
      Exactly this. It's obvious that generative AI content is bad for search and indexing, and I wish more people would learn to extrapolate from the forms of the problem that already exist, that the quality of the generated content is not going to solve the "please, god, find me something a real person actually said about this real thing" problem. I just don't understand how people can pretend this isn't happening just because they find each new twist of a technology fascinating.
      - criddell 2y ago
        > It's obvious that generative AI content is bad for search and indexing It's not obvious at all. You see a problem, I see opportunities. The person you responded to mentioned Reddit. Well, the glut of garbage on the internet makes Reddit more valuable. The "please, god, find me something a real person actually said about this real thing" isn't actually a problem very many people have. Despite all the complaining here, most people are happy with the results they get when they search Google or Bing or Facebook or Reddit. So like every technology, there are positives and negatives. It isn't clear to me where this all nets out but I'm leaning slightly positive. And if you don't find this technology fascinating, then I'm not sure what to say.
        Dilettante_ 2y ago
        >Well, the glut of garbage on the internet makes Reddit more valuable. If given the choice between a dime and a fiver, is the fiver somehow worth more than if I'd offered you the choice between a fiver and a tenner instead?
BlueTemplar 2y ago
The impact of cheap spam, as in the other cases, is to push people towards platforms. You can even see it in the case of e-mail spam, where while technically not platforms, it helped Gmail and Hotmail to become so big that they can basically impose their own rules on the protocol.

oldpersonintx 2y ago

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