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Isn't the fact that people use mac despite all that testament to the fact that there's a good reason they're doing so? Like it or not, Apple hardware is top-not

Isn't the fact that people use mac despite all that testament to the fact that there's a good reason they're doing so? Like it or not, Apple hardware is top-notch, it integrates well with the software, and it's hard to get both anywhere else.

bigstrat2003 2y ago
As always, it's a testament to the power of Apple marketing rather than the product itself. Apple has never been anything special compared to its competitors.
- spiderice 2y ago
  Comments like this are a way to instantly kill your credibility. Let's go back to 2012 and compare laptop trackpads and then see if we can pretend that your comment isn't hyperbole.
  - bitsandboots 2y ago
    Not that I agree with them, but you gave a really bad example. Typing this from an M1 MBP and I would take any laptop trackpad I've ever had over it, even pre 2012. Because this thing is inferior at basic tasks like dragging or shifting from right to left click. Partially because it lacks no physical mouse buttons, and partially because it's implementation of such a scheme is just worse than every other laptop I've had. The laptop begs for a standalone mouse, but Apple in its infinite practically did not include a USB A port for the purpose, further complicating life.
  - seba_dos1 2y ago
    As someone who really cares about a good trackpad and owns a Magic Trackpad 2, I never understood people who put Apple ones on pedestal. It's macOS that had good trackpad handling sooner than other OSes/DEs; their hardware was always comparable to other laptops from the same class. The only thing they actually differentiated in was haptic feedback, and it's mostly just a gimmick unless you happen to care about making tactile clicks as quiet as possible. Sure, if you bought some shitty cheap laptop you got a shitty cheap trackpad on it, but that's hardly surprising.
- entropicdrifter 2y ago
  They have a lot of nice window dressing, like excellent touchpad gestures. Until the Snapdragon chips launched they slaughtered everyone else for battery life and power-per-watt on laptops. But it's certainly true that a lot of their prestige just comes down to brilliant marketing. What else could get businesses to buy laptops with non-replaceable batteries and storage and non-upgradeable RAM that need to be trashed every 3-6 years?
  - acdha 2y ago
    > What else could get businesses to buy laptops with non-replaceable batteries and storage and non-upgradeable RAM that need to be trashed every 3-6 years? Most PC laptop vendors? The part you’re missing is that businesses usually plan to refresh devices every few years anyway, and since the service life on a Mac is 5-10 years this just isn’t a limitation most people hit whereas weight, lower performance, and worse battery life are something you notice every day.
  - tcmart14 2y ago
    I'd really like to know how many businesses are replacing storage and RAM. Most of the ones I've worked for, they just buy the business Dell Latitude and never touch to storage or RAM. Everything for the business is in O365 or sharepoint or drop box.
- bowsamic 2y ago
  Well you have made it instantly clear you have no idea what you're talking about
bitsandboots 2y ago
Not necessarily. People waste money on things for all sorts of _bad_ reasons. And Apple in particular has curated a group of people who buy without asking questions, and many among them knowing nothing of the specs or performance of the system. Not to discredit those who have good reasons, but I don't think that has much to do with the success of Apple.

bigstrat2003 2y ago

As always, it's a testament to the power of Apple marketing rather than the product itself. Apple has never been anything special compared to its competitors.

spiderice 2y ago
Comments like this are a way to instantly kill your credibility. Let's go back to 2012 and compare laptop trackpads and then see if we can pretend that your comment isn't hyperbole.
- bitsandboots 2y ago
  Not that I agree with them, but you gave a really bad example. Typing this from an M1 MBP and I would take any laptop trackpad I've ever had over it, even pre 2012. Because this thing is inferior at basic tasks like dragging or shifting from right to left click. Partially because it lacks no physical mouse buttons, and partially because it's implementation of such a scheme is just worse than every other laptop I've had. The laptop begs for a standalone mouse, but Apple in its infinite practically did not include a USB A port for the purpose, further complicating life.
- seba_dos1 2y ago
  As someone who really cares about a good trackpad and owns a Magic Trackpad 2, I never understood people who put Apple ones on pedestal. It's macOS that had good trackpad handling sooner than other OSes/DEs; their hardware was always comparable to other laptops from the same class. The only thing they actually differentiated in was haptic feedback, and it's mostly just a gimmick unless you happen to care about making tactile clicks as quiet as possible. Sure, if you bought some shitty cheap laptop you got a shitty cheap trackpad on it, but that's hardly surprising.
entropicdrifter 2y ago
They have a lot of nice window dressing, like excellent touchpad gestures. Until the Snapdragon chips launched they slaughtered everyone else for battery life and power-per-watt on laptops. But it's certainly true that a lot of their prestige just comes down to brilliant marketing. What else could get businesses to buy laptops with non-replaceable batteries and storage and non-upgradeable RAM that need to be trashed every 3-6 years?
- acdha 2y ago
  > What else could get businesses to buy laptops with non-replaceable batteries and storage and non-upgradeable RAM that need to be trashed every 3-6 years? Most PC laptop vendors? The part you’re missing is that businesses usually plan to refresh devices every few years anyway, and since the service life on a Mac is 5-10 years this just isn’t a limitation most people hit whereas weight, lower performance, and worse battery life are something you notice every day.
- tcmart14 2y ago
  I'd really like to know how many businesses are replacing storage and RAM. Most of the ones I've worked for, they just buy the business Dell Latitude and never touch to storage or RAM. Everything for the business is in O365 or sharepoint or drop box.
bowsamic 2y ago
Well you have made it instantly clear you have no idea what you're talking about

bitsandboots 2y ago

Not necessarily. People waste money on things for all sorts of _bad_ reasons. And Apple in particular has curated a group of people who buy without asking questions, and many among them knowing nothing of the specs or performance of the system. Not to discredit those who have good reasons, but I don't think that has much to do with the success of Apple.