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so much for the windows on arm 'revolution'.

by zoezoezoezoe 2y ago

icepat 2y ago
The revolution will not be in the Microsoft Store.
- zoezoezoezoe 2y ago
  I dont even think it will be on windows ;)
candiddevmike 2y ago
Year of Windows on ARM is the new Year of the Linux Desktop. (This comment was submitted on an ARM-based Linux Desktop)
- pulse7 2y ago
  Which ARM-based Linux Desktop are you using? :)
  - candiddevmike 2y ago
    Android, of course
    - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
      What desktop runs Android?
  - betaby 2y ago
    ChromeOS
  - immibis 2y ago
    This comment was submitted on a PineTab 2 that's kind of configured as a desktop layout, (with external keyboard and mouse), so that counts, right? If you want a review: it's fine if your goal is to just experiment with an ARM machine or a Linux tablet, but GUI apps are pretty slow. If you switch to a console VT it's fine. I haven't tried any benchmarks but I don't imagine they'll get a very good score at all.
fredgrott 2y ago
Windows on ARM is the same year Tesla has FSD...50 years from now judging by Elon's own tweeting stating that exact detail.....
- pavlov 2y ago
  Commercial fusion power will beat both to market. I should know, I owned both a Windows ARM PC and a Tesla with “FSD”.
- rty32 2y ago
  Well, to me application crashes are way better than car crashes. Provided that they are used by average consumers, not on servers
jsheard 2y ago
2012-2013 - Microsoft partners with Nvidia to launch Windows ARM 2019-2020 - Microsoft partners with Qualcomm to launch Windows ARM... again 2024-???? - Microsoft partners with Qualcomm... again, to launch Windows ARM... again Fourth times the charm?
- Dalewyn 2y ago
  Win32 slays yet another would-be challenger. Again. Like every single challenger that has come before. Perhaps it is prudent to not challenge Win32.
- RyJones 2y ago
  I was on the Qualcomm side of the Windows 8 experience. It was terrible, not a good partnership. I have long, boring stories about the previous (to this) WoA attempt. And the one before that.
raverbashing 2y ago
Wintel vendors must be feeling like the airlines that invested too much on Boeing Now Windows 11 feels as exciting as sponge cake and nobody cares too much about PCs anymore
- Y_Y 2y ago
  I've actually enjoyed a couple of good sponge cakes. On the other hand Windows 11 is determined to upset my workday and get in the way of doing my job. It's so bad that my employer, a very large US SaaS provider and diehard Microsoft shop, is starting to put Ubuntu on our laptops because of the constant headaches.
adastra22 2y ago
I use windows on ARM on a daily basis… running from a VMware image on macOS on Apple hardware. I would love to have a native booted windows ARM device, but…
mrweasel 2y ago
As others point out, pretty much all interest seems to have come from Linux developers, or people who'd like an alternative to x86 as their (Linux) desktop. It should be pretty clear by now that most Windows developers do not care about ARM. It's not that I think they are dismissive of the platform, but they are waiting for Microsoft, Dell and Lenovo to deliver a finished product. They aren't going to spend time on yet another failed Microsoft hardware experiment. Windows developers aren't going to switch to ARM in large numbers until Microsoft and partners can deliver a platform with a decade or two of longevity. They are completely accustom to Microsoft preserving backwards compatibility and they'll expect the same to be turn for a architecture switch.
- kyriakos 2y ago
  Really its not about how long MS will support the platform but the fact that there is really no reason for Windows developers to support ARM. Current x86 laptop CPUs are way faster than Snapdragon and are not that far behind in battery life.
- rty32 2y ago
  My theory -- linux arm is a real alternative to linux x86 and everyone involved knows that they are doing. Windows in Arm, at this moment, only causes confusion to product lines and branding, for both device manufacturers and consumers. By comparison, it is a hard switch for MacBooks (not releasing new x86 and arm computers at the same time), and I don't think Apple even mentions ARM that much -- they just keep saying "Apple silicon", which sounds stupid to developers but is good marketing.
  - 999900000999 2y ago
    Apple also controls the whole OSX world. They effectively said new Macs will be arm. If you want to develop for OSX it better be ARM compatibility . Microsoft has a chicken and egg problem. Why would I port even my games to Windows ARM when the vast majority of users will be on x64 anyway. Windows ARM isn't much more efficient when running a x64 binary anyway. You have strange comparability issues. This is less of an issue with Linux since we can ultimately recompile our own software. But as mentioned above, Qualcomm doesn't feel like supporting Linux, at least not well enough for it to be usable. Honestly Microsoft( or another OEM) needs to ship a dual boot ARM laptop. The 12th of never when they happens these laptops will sell well. As is they're effectively on clearance. A 3 month year old laptop already 30% to 40% off.
jpalomaki 2y ago
I was excited during the summer, but now Intel's Lunar Lake is ruining the show. Seems to be Intel is able to match (or offer better) battery life and performance. If this the case, I don't see much point in picking Arm for Windows. And unlike with Apple, on Windows the x86 won't go away. So there's two architectures that need to be supported. And I'm not so sure everybody is interested to put the effort for Arm.

so much for the windows on arm 'revolution'.

icepat 2y ago

The revolution will not be in the Microsoft Store.

zoezoezoezoe 2y ago
I dont even think it will be on windows ;)

candiddevmike 2y ago

Year of Windows on ARM is the new Year of the Linux Desktop. (This comment was submitted on an ARM-based Linux Desktop)

pulse7 2y ago
Which ARM-based Linux Desktop are you using? :)
- candiddevmike 2y ago
  Android, of course
  - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
    What desktop runs Android?
- betaby 2y ago
  ChromeOS
- immibis 2y ago
  This comment was submitted on a PineTab 2 that's kind of configured as a desktop layout, (with external keyboard and mouse), so that counts, right? If you want a review: it's fine if your goal is to just experiment with an ARM machine or a Linux tablet, but GUI apps are pretty slow. If you switch to a console VT it's fine. I haven't tried any benchmarks but I don't imagine they'll get a very good score at all.

fredgrott 2y ago

Windows on ARM is the same year Tesla has FSD...50 years from now judging by Elon's own tweeting stating that exact detail.....

pavlov 2y ago
Commercial fusion power will beat both to market. I should know, I owned both a Windows ARM PC and a Tesla with “FSD”.
rty32 2y ago
Well, to me application crashes are way better than car crashes. Provided that they are used by average consumers, not on servers

jsheard 2y ago

2012-2013 - Microsoft partners with Nvidia to launch Windows ARM 2019-2020 - Microsoft partners with Qualcomm to launch Windows ARM... again 2024-???? - Microsoft partners with Qualcomm... again, to launch Windows ARM... again Fourth times the charm?

Dalewyn 2y ago
Win32 slays yet another would-be challenger. Again. Like every single challenger that has come before. Perhaps it is prudent to not challenge Win32.
RyJones 2y ago
I was on the Qualcomm side of the Windows 8 experience. It was terrible, not a good partnership. I have long, boring stories about the previous (to this) WoA attempt. And the one before that.

raverbashing 2y ago

Wintel vendors must be feeling like the airlines that invested too much on Boeing Now Windows 11 feels as exciting as sponge cake and nobody cares too much about PCs anymore

Y_Y 2y ago
I've actually enjoyed a couple of good sponge cakes. On the other hand Windows 11 is determined to upset my workday and get in the way of doing my job. It's so bad that my employer, a very large US SaaS provider and diehard Microsoft shop, is starting to put Ubuntu on our laptops because of the constant headaches.

adastra22 2y ago

I use windows on ARM on a daily basis… running from a VMware image on macOS on Apple hardware. I would love to have a native booted windows ARM device, but…

mrweasel 2y ago

As others point out, pretty much all interest seems to have come from Linux developers, or people who'd like an alternative to x86 as their (Linux) desktop. It should be pretty clear by now that most Windows developers do not care about ARM. It's not that I think they are dismissive of the platform, but they are waiting for Microsoft, Dell and Lenovo to deliver a finished product. They aren't going to spend time on yet another failed Microsoft hardware experiment. Windows developers aren't going to switch to ARM in large numbers until Microsoft and partners can deliver a platform with a decade or two of longevity. They are completely accustom to Microsoft preserving backwards compatibility and they'll expect the same to be turn for a architecture switch.

kyriakos 2y ago
Really its not about how long MS will support the platform but the fact that there is really no reason for Windows developers to support ARM. Current x86 laptop CPUs are way faster than Snapdragon and are not that far behind in battery life.
rty32 2y ago
My theory -- linux arm is a real alternative to linux x86 and everyone involved knows that they are doing. Windows in Arm, at this moment, only causes confusion to product lines and branding, for both device manufacturers and consumers. By comparison, it is a hard switch for MacBooks (not releasing new x86 and arm computers at the same time), and I don't think Apple even mentions ARM that much -- they just keep saying "Apple silicon", which sounds stupid to developers but is good marketing.
- 999900000999 2y ago
  Apple also controls the whole OSX world. They effectively said new Macs will be arm. If you want to develop for OSX it better be ARM compatibility . Microsoft has a chicken and egg problem. Why would I port even my games to Windows ARM when the vast majority of users will be on x64 anyway. Windows ARM isn't much more efficient when running a x64 binary anyway. You have strange comparability issues. This is less of an issue with Linux since we can ultimately recompile our own software. But as mentioned above, Qualcomm doesn't feel like supporting Linux, at least not well enough for it to be usable. Honestly Microsoft( or another OEM) needs to ship a dual boot ARM laptop. The 12th of never when they happens these laptops will sell well. As is they're effectively on clearance. A 3 month year old laptop already 30% to 40% off.

jpalomaki 2y ago

I was excited during the summer, but now Intel's Lunar Lake is ruining the show. Seems to be Intel is able to match (or offer better) battery life and performance. If this the case, I don't see much point in picking Arm for Windows. And unlike with Apple, on Windows the x86 won't go away. So there's two architectures that need to be supported. And I'm not so sure everybody is interested to put the effort for Arm.