My favorite version of this argument is from Catch-22. It starts with a discussion about the miseries people suffer and if they have any utility at all. Is pa

My favorite version of this argument is from Catch-22. It starts with a discussion about the miseries people suffer and if they have any utility at all. Is pain a useful warning of problems or could that information be gotten across in a better way? It ends with the two characters agreeing that neither believes in God, with one not believing in a good and kind God and the other not believing in an evil malevolent God. https://risingentropy.com/catch-22/ https://risingentropy.com/catch-22/