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The reason they call asylum seekers illegal is because most asylum seekers are immigrating for improved economic opportunities, not because they are otherwise f

The reason they call asylum seekers illegal is because most asylum seekers are immigrating for improved economic opportunities, not because they are otherwise fleeing persecution from their government. If you want to immigrate somewhere for work you need to get in line for the correct visa. I would expect many legal immigrants here on HN would know this struggle. My parents did when they immigrated to the US. The problem is that the asylum seekers are committing fraud if they are immigrating for economic reasons, and that fraud is being encouraged by the government and NGOs. JD vance, Elon, and Trump have talked about this several times but the media usually interrupts then or make a straw man argument about racism instead of covering the real issue, which is that these immigrants are being brought in as low wage, temporary laborers to undercut American workers.

acdha 2y ago
That’s a lot of unsourced claims which appear to be rehashing people who famously lie for political reasons (e.g. Vance admitting that he fabricated the Haitian cat story), and you’re certainly not building credibility by pretending that they’re somehow being “interrupted” from a serious conversation. If you have a reliable source for the claim that large numbers of people are lying on asylum applications and that this is being encouraged by the government, you should edit your comment to cite that so there’s something to be objectively discussed.
nonameiguess 2y ago
I don't get it. Haiti has had an ongoing civil war for at least 6 years. Their last president was assassinated and they've suspended elections and haven't replaced him. Most of the capital city is controlled by criminal gangs. Civilians are regularly raped and murdered for no real reason other than intimidation. The UN has authorized and sent an official security assistance mission. What exactly needs to happen in a country before you consider people fleeing it and seeking asylum to be legitimate and not lying?

acdha 2y ago

That’s a lot of unsourced claims which appear to be rehashing people who famously lie for political reasons (e.g. Vance admitting that he fabricated the Haitian cat story), and you’re certainly not building credibility by pretending that they’re somehow being “interrupted” from a serious conversation. If you have a reliable source for the claim that large numbers of people are lying on asylum applications and that this is being encouraged by the government, you should edit your comment to cite that so there’s something to be objectively discussed.

nonameiguess 2y ago

I don't get it. Haiti has had an ongoing civil war for at least 6 years. Their last president was assassinated and they've suspended elections and haven't replaced him. Most of the capital city is controlled by criminal gangs. Civilians are regularly raped and murdered for no real reason other than intimidation. The UN has authorized and sent an official security assistance mission. What exactly needs to happen in a country before you consider people fleeing it and seeking asylum to be legitimate and not lying?