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Because training employees is expensive & may not be obvious how the $ could be used. In the employee side it is a small % of total comp so it doesn’t make sens

by tyleo 2y ago

Because training employees is expensive & may not be obvious how the $ could be used. In the employee side it is a small % of total comp so it doesn’t make sense for them either. It isn’t clear that they fired the employees to send a message. From the article, it doesn’t look like Meta told other employees, “we fired people who abused the free meal service,” so I don’t know how others would get the message. Instead it was posted on Blind and picked up by news which seems like a poor way to send a message from a PR perspective.

jcgrillo 2y ago
Whether or not they intended to send a message, if I work at the facebook the blaring loud message I just received is "do not under any circumstances try to expense anything, ever."
- dustyventure 2y ago
  And given that I don't work at Facebook the message to me is even clearer.
  - jcgrillo 2y ago
    Exactly. Although tbh that message has been clear for a long time.
- bananapub 2y ago
  > the blaring loud message I just received is "do not under any circumstances try to expense anything, ever." did you not read the article? the message was, quite reasonably, "don't take the fucking piss, if we give you food vouchers to buy your dinner, then use it for buying yourself dinner".
  - jcgrillo 2y ago
    > did you not read the article? That's obviously not a serious question, so it doesn't deserve a response. > if we give you food vouchers to buy your dinner, then use it for buying yourself dinner I don't know whether there even is a "message", but if I worked for a company that just fired a bunch of people for discrepancies in really minor expense reports I would simply avoid submitting an expense report for something like a meal ever again. They're clearly looking for an excuse to fire people, and it's better to not make oneself a target.
    - s1artibartfast 2y ago
      These aren't expense reports. They are digital vouchers. Imagine if your boss has a stack of gift cards on their desk in case people need a taxi home, and some employees start using it as their personal expense fund. If I was looking to fire someone, the thieves would be at the top of the list.
      - jcgrillo 2y ago
        Huh, I've never seen a digital voucher before. How do they work? And how can the employer detect what the employee uses it for? I guess the net result is the same? It seems accepting the digital voucher comes with a huge risk--what if they decide to object to the establishment or your food choice? So just.. bring a sandwich for lunch instead or pay with your own money... EDIT: the important thing to remember as a U.S. employee is that--just like every interaction with the police is grounds for arrest--every interaction with your employer is grounds for dismissal. So minimize those interactions. ANOTHER EDIT: which restaurants or food trucks accept these "digital vouchers"? Are these some kind of apple wallet type thing on your phone? So it only works at places with certain payment equipment? Many places I like to eat only take cash..
        s1artibartfast 2y ago
        I dont know how they are distributed at Meta. Some companies will have a app or web page where you can click to submit a request certifying that you are working late and request a meal voucher code. Sometimes there is an "I self certify I qualify and am following the rules.." checkbox Using the code in the app sends the food bill and receipt to your company account, presumably with an identifier of who made the purchase. >It seems accepting the digital voucher comes with a huge risk--what if they decide to object to the establishment or your food choice? Seems like no risk to me, provided you are following the clear rules and aren't willfully scamming the system. I have never heard of a company objecting to a good faith food choice or establishment, and that doesnt seem to be the case here either.
        2y ago

by tyleo 2y ago

jcgrillo 2y ago

Whether or not they intended to send a message, if I work at the facebook the blaring loud message I just received is "do not under any circumstances try to expense anything, ever."

dustyventure 2y ago
And given that I don't work at Facebook the message to me is even clearer.
- jcgrillo 2y ago
  Exactly. Although tbh that message has been clear for a long time.
bananapub 2y ago
> the blaring loud message I just received is "do not under any circumstances try to expense anything, ever." did you not read the article? the message was, quite reasonably, "don't take the fucking piss, if we give you food vouchers to buy your dinner, then use it for buying yourself dinner".
- jcgrillo 2y ago
  > did you not read the article? That's obviously not a serious question, so it doesn't deserve a response. > if we give you food vouchers to buy your dinner, then use it for buying yourself dinner I don't know whether there even is a "message", but if I worked for a company that just fired a bunch of people for discrepancies in really minor expense reports I would simply avoid submitting an expense report for something like a meal ever again. They're clearly looking for an excuse to fire people, and it's better to not make oneself a target.
  - s1artibartfast 2y ago
    These aren't expense reports. They are digital vouchers. Imagine if your boss has a stack of gift cards on their desk in case people need a taxi home, and some employees start using it as their personal expense fund. If I was looking to fire someone, the thieves would be at the top of the list.
    - jcgrillo 2y ago
      Huh, I've never seen a digital voucher before. How do they work? And how can the employer detect what the employee uses it for? I guess the net result is the same? It seems accepting the digital voucher comes with a huge risk--what if they decide to object to the establishment or your food choice? So just.. bring a sandwich for lunch instead or pay with your own money... EDIT: the important thing to remember as a U.S. employee is that--just like every interaction with the police is grounds for arrest--every interaction with your employer is grounds for dismissal. So minimize those interactions. ANOTHER EDIT: which restaurants or food trucks accept these "digital vouchers"? Are these some kind of apple wallet type thing on your phone? So it only works at places with certain payment equipment? Many places I like to eat only take cash..
      - s1artibartfast 2y ago
        I dont know how they are distributed at Meta. Some companies will have a app or web page where you can click to submit a request certifying that you are working late and request a meal voucher code. Sometimes there is an "I self certify I qualify and am following the rules.." checkbox Using the code in the app sends the food bill and receipt to your company account, presumably with an identifier of who made the purchase. >It seems accepting the digital voucher comes with a huge risk--what if they decide to object to the establishment or your food choice? Seems like no risk to me, provided you are following the clear rules and aren't willfully scamming the system. I have never heard of a company objecting to a good faith food choice or establishment, and that doesnt seem to be the case here either.
        2y ago