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Most can, although you probably don't want it. Updates on linux are already infinitely better than windows. That's not the question to ask. You should ask if a

Most can, although you probably don't want it. Updates on linux are already infinitely better than windows. That's not the question to ask. You should ask if a laptop goes to sleep on linux, will it wake up ? Nobody knows.

llm_trw 2y ago
>You should ask if a laptop goes to sleep on linux, will it wake up ? Nobody knows. I've only been using Linux for 20 years so can you explain what you mean by this?
- rob74 2y ago
  If you have never had such issues (not had them and fixed them, that doesn't count), consider yourself lucky...
- bubblethink 2y ago
  Modern sleep (s0ix) is a mess on linux. Laptops will either not sleep, or sleep but not wake up, or drain the battery while they are asleep, or peripherals won't work after they wake up, or monitors won't light up, or things won't be where you left them on the monitor, or wifi or bluetooth won't work after resume, or they'll get stuck in a low frequency mode, ....
  - terribleperson 2y ago
    Would you believe I've had all of these problems in Windows on a Surface Pro? Modern sleep was a mistake.
  - NoGravitas 2y ago
    Modern sleep also drains your battery and heats up your laptop on Windows too (but not most of the other problems). I miss the days when you could put a sleeping laptop in a bag, but now, on Windows, you have to either re-enable hibernation (for however long they allow that), or fully shut down. Modern sleep was a mistake.
rob74 2y ago
Or the issue that currently annoys the hell out of me: if I disconnect my laptop from the docking station and reconnect it, will it continue running or will it spontaneously restart (Dell laptop and docking station, Ubuntu 22.04, Wayland)?
masa331 2y ago
I have never heard or never had myself any problems with sleep on Linux laptops and i'm using Linux(Arch, Debian, Lubuntu) as my only driver for past 10 years
- JohnFen 2y ago
  That's been my experience with Debian. I used to have problems with that stuff, but those went away years ago.
- krick 2y ago
  Well, on Thinkpad (which, unlike many, is actually intended to support Linux users) you have to specifically charge something in BIOS to make it work, so one at least has to be aware. Also, I have some old Asus lying around, which after some update started having a lot of trouble with both going to sleep and waking up. Never figured out what it was, I didn't really need it anymore, so now it's just lying somewhere in the closet, maybe will use it for something someday. So, no, "no problems" is a bit of overselling it.
soco 2y ago
If they are infinitely better why wouldn't I want them? Sorry that's confusing.
- bubblethink 2y ago
  You can opt for security only automatic updates which a lot of server admins do. However, if you are running something in production, you don't want to risk any breakage due to an automatic update. This is independent of the operating system.
  - JohnFen 2y ago
    This. Security-only updates are the only ones I allow automatically. Broader updates are too risky to allow to happen without supervision. I think this is independent of the operating system being used.
rolisz 2y ago
And power management. Battery life is much worse on Linux
more_corn 2y ago
Always, always, always enable automatic security updates only every os on every install.

llm_trw 2y ago

>You should ask if a laptop goes to sleep on linux, will it wake up ? Nobody knows. I've only been using Linux for 20 years so can you explain what you mean by this?

rob74 2y ago
If you have never had such issues (not had them and fixed them, that doesn't count), consider yourself lucky...
bubblethink 2y ago
Modern sleep (s0ix) is a mess on linux. Laptops will either not sleep, or sleep but not wake up, or drain the battery while they are asleep, or peripherals won't work after they wake up, or monitors won't light up, or things won't be where you left them on the monitor, or wifi or bluetooth won't work after resume, or they'll get stuck in a low frequency mode, ....
- terribleperson 2y ago
  Would you believe I've had all of these problems in Windows on a Surface Pro? Modern sleep was a mistake.
- NoGravitas 2y ago
  Modern sleep also drains your battery and heats up your laptop on Windows too (but not most of the other problems). I miss the days when you could put a sleeping laptop in a bag, but now, on Windows, you have to either re-enable hibernation (for however long they allow that), or fully shut down. Modern sleep was a mistake.

rob74 2y ago

Or the issue that currently annoys the hell out of me: if I disconnect my laptop from the docking station and reconnect it, will it continue running or will it spontaneously restart (Dell laptop and docking station, Ubuntu 22.04, Wayland)?

masa331 2y ago

I have never heard or never had myself any problems with sleep on Linux laptops and i'm using Linux(Arch, Debian, Lubuntu) as my only driver for past 10 years

JohnFen 2y ago
That's been my experience with Debian. I used to have problems with that stuff, but those went away years ago.
krick 2y ago
Well, on Thinkpad (which, unlike many, is actually intended to support Linux users) you have to specifically charge something in BIOS to make it work, so one at least has to be aware. Also, I have some old Asus lying around, which after some update started having a lot of trouble with both going to sleep and waking up. Never figured out what it was, I didn't really need it anymore, so now it's just lying somewhere in the closet, maybe will use it for something someday. So, no, "no problems" is a bit of overselling it.

soco 2y ago

If they are infinitely better why wouldn't I want them? Sorry that's confusing.

bubblethink 2y ago
You can opt for security only automatic updates which a lot of server admins do. However, if you are running something in production, you don't want to risk any breakage due to an automatic update. This is independent of the operating system.
- JohnFen 2y ago
  This. Security-only updates are the only ones I allow automatically. Broader updates are too risky to allow to happen without supervision. I think this is independent of the operating system being used.

rolisz 2y ago

And power management. Battery life is much worse on Linux

more_corn 2y ago

Always, always, always enable automatic security updates only every os on every install.