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Moved to Fedora many years ago, and also AMD based kit for the usual reasons. Had zero problems, uptime of months, if not longer, and still gaming and developi

Moved to Fedora many years ago, and also AMD based kit for the usual reasons. Had zero problems, uptime of months, if not longer, and still gaming and developing. No random pauses, and everything, including search, just work. Windows 11 - used it $day job$ and it's ok. That's as charitable as I can be. They're looking to move staff to Macs and Linux, and retire W11. It's only in use because of things like Office, Outlook, and the odd bit of software that's Windows only. Which is kind of ironic, because there are quite a few programs I've come across that download only for Mac or Linux which is the opposite to 20 years ago. It's funny and a bit sad that Windows 11 is the kind of version of Windows I would have associated with Ballmer. A sort of in-your-face money making machine with all its ads and cruft. Yet, it's Nadella. Does Microsoft, at some level, have a 'we know Windows is dying' attitude? They have their other billion dollar 'pillars' of Azure, Office, XBox, and so on.

hypeatei 2y ago
> Office, Outlook, and the odd bit of software that's Windows only You can use Office apps in the browser now. I've only really used Outlook and Teams there, so YMMV.
- DrBazza 2y ago
  There's still a lot of Office functionality in the desktop versions, such as automation of other desktop apps, and also Excel plugins (so many finance companies use that), so there's still "lock in".
- thyristan 2y ago
  Browser based MS Office is crap. Half the documents produced in desktop MS Office are broken there, worse than simply using LibreOffice to open them.
  - throwup238 2y ago
    Last I checked you couldn’t even use absolute positioning to place elements in Word docs. I was trying to make a lost pet poster, and that was the first and last time I tried Office365.
- ompogUe 2y ago
  Blew my mind that I could install Teams in Ubuntu. Was both amazed (MS compiling for Linux) and disgusted (MS compiling for Linux). Though it unfortunately broke with Wayland, so had to move my work machine to Windows using WSL.
- tim333 2y ago
  Also Office and Outlook are available on Mac of course.
JohnFen 2y ago
> Windows 11 - used it $day job$ and it's ok. That's as charitable as I can be. I only use Windows at work and was recently forced to switch to Win 11. That's pretty much my review as well. There are UI changes that I hate quite a lot, but I could find utilities and settings that mitigate much of that. I didn't find anything (yet) that I consider an actual improvement.
- moepstar 2y ago
  > I didn't find anything (yet) that I consider an actual improvement. Serious question: has there (ever?) been any, since say, Windows 2000? Some progress has been made with regards to stability, but other than that? Usability hasn't improved and i'd consider Windows 10 and especially 11 extremely user hostile and full of spying.
  - Volundr 2y ago
    > Serious question: has there (ever?) been any, since say, Windows 2000? Start menu search in Vista (of course then we had to wait for 7 for a semi-decent Windows) Past that... WSL? But it sort of says something that the biggest improvement to Windows is adding Linux.
    - moepstar 2y ago
      Yes and yes on search. Although i actually prefer Spotlight (both on macOS and iOS) - it just works that good (imho, haven't seen any better desktop search).
      - workfromspace 2y ago
        Have you tried "everything" by void tools on Windows, or "Find Any File (FAF)" on Mac?
        DrBazza 2y ago
        Any 3rd party search app on Windows 11 works better than Windows11 search. What a time to be alive :(
TacticalCoder 2y ago
> Had zero problems, uptime of months, if not longer, ... That's the thing with Linux: most updates, including security updates, do not require a reboot. And the thing is rock stable solid. > No random pauses, and everything, including search, just work. One detail I really love about Linux, since forever, it's that when you ask it to turn off, it turns off. Not in minutes. Not in a minute. No: it's turns off nearly instantly. When you ask to turn Windows off, for oh-so-many people, "stuff" happens. You don't know what exactly: it's probably sending your whole life as "telemetry" to "enhance your user experience" back to M$FT. Yup, it maybe childish to write M$FT like that, with a '$', but it doesn't change the fact that stuff happens when you turn Windows off and you don't know exactly what. And it's by now certainly related to '$' going somewhere to Microsoft seen how much that thing is spying on people.

hypeatei 2y ago

> Office, Outlook, and the odd bit of software that's Windows only You can use Office apps in the browser now. I've only really used Outlook and Teams there, so YMMV.

DrBazza 2y ago
There's still a lot of Office functionality in the desktop versions, such as automation of other desktop apps, and also Excel plugins (so many finance companies use that), so there's still "lock in".
thyristan 2y ago
Browser based MS Office is crap. Half the documents produced in desktop MS Office are broken there, worse than simply using LibreOffice to open them.
- throwup238 2y ago
  Last I checked you couldn’t even use absolute positioning to place elements in Word docs. I was trying to make a lost pet poster, and that was the first and last time I tried Office365.
ompogUe 2y ago
Blew my mind that I could install Teams in Ubuntu. Was both amazed (MS compiling for Linux) and disgusted (MS compiling for Linux). Though it unfortunately broke with Wayland, so had to move my work machine to Windows using WSL.
tim333 2y ago
Also Office and Outlook are available on Mac of course.

JohnFen 2y ago

> Windows 11 - used it $day job$ and it's ok. That's as charitable as I can be. I only use Windows at work and was recently forced to switch to Win 11. That's pretty much my review as well. There are UI changes that I hate quite a lot, but I could find utilities and settings that mitigate much of that. I didn't find anything (yet) that I consider an actual improvement.

moepstar 2y ago
> I didn't find anything (yet) that I consider an actual improvement. Serious question: has there (ever?) been any, since say, Windows 2000? Some progress has been made with regards to stability, but other than that? Usability hasn't improved and i'd consider Windows 10 and especially 11 extremely user hostile and full of spying.
- Volundr 2y ago
  > Serious question: has there (ever?) been any, since say, Windows 2000? Start menu search in Vista (of course then we had to wait for 7 for a semi-decent Windows) Past that... WSL? But it sort of says something that the biggest improvement to Windows is adding Linux.
  - moepstar 2y ago
    Yes and yes on search. Although i actually prefer Spotlight (both on macOS and iOS) - it just works that good (imho, haven't seen any better desktop search).
    - workfromspace 2y ago
      Have you tried "everything" by void tools on Windows, or "Find Any File (FAF)" on Mac?
      - DrBazza 2y ago
        Any 3rd party search app on Windows 11 works better than Windows11 search. What a time to be alive :(

TacticalCoder 2y ago

> Had zero problems, uptime of months, if not longer, ... That's the thing with Linux: most updates, including security updates, do not require a reboot. And the thing is rock stable solid. > No random pauses, and everything, including search, just work. One detail I really love about Linux, since forever, it's that when you ask it to turn off, it turns off. Not in minutes. Not in a minute. No: it's turns off nearly instantly. When you ask to turn Windows off, for oh-so-many people, "stuff" happens. You don't know what exactly: it's probably sending your whole life as "telemetry" to "enhance your user experience" back to M$FT. Yup, it maybe childish to write M$FT like that, with a '$', but it doesn't change the fact that stuff happens when you turn Windows off and you don't know exactly what. And it's by now certainly related to '$' going somewhere to Microsoft seen how much that thing is spying on people.