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> It should also be noted that in most quality of life indexes, cities in the US rank far below many of those in Europe, Canada, and Australia... Having person

by jbarham 14y ago

> It should also be noted that in most quality of life indexes, cities in the US rank far below many of those in Europe, Canada, and Australia... Having personally lived in two of the most recently top-ranked cities (Vancouver and now Melbourne) I'd say the indexes are mostly bogus. Evidently something as important to quality of life as the weather isn't much of a factor given that it rains for most of the year in Vancouver. I haven't look up where SoCal ranks, but personally I much preferred living there to Vancouver for the climate alone. And house prices in Australia are so absurdly expensive that I can't even consider buying (although I'm quite happy renting). It's a cliche, but if you're really ambitious the US really is the land of opportunity. E.g., Elon Musk studied in Canada after leaving South Africa, but it's in the US where he started PayPal, Tesla and SpaceX.

jules 14y ago
It's true that in the US, rich people are really rich. But would he have been able to afford to study in the US? The science says that social mobility is much higher in other countries like Denmark than in the US: > Several studies have been made comparing social mobility between developed countries. One such study (“Do Poor Children Become Poor Adults?")[5][15][16] found that of nine developed countries, the United States and United Kingdom had the lowest intergenerational vertical social mobility with about half of the advantages of having a parent with a high income passed on to the next generation. The four countries with the lowest "intergenerational income elasticity", i.e. the highest social mobility, were Denmark, Norway, Finland, and Canada with less than 20% of advantages of having a high income parent passed on to their children. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_mobility#Country_comparison http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_mobility#Country_compari...
- excuse-me 14y ago
  You have to be a little careful with the social mobility stats. Countries with a very equal society score very high on these scales - because they really map "am I rich and were my parents were rich". Countries where everyone is happily in the middle (eg scandanvia) show low correlation with your parents income and that counts as high social mobility - when in fact it's just low mobility for everyone. Countries with a high immigrant population in the preceding generation score very high - just because the first wave of immigrants probably did relatively badly compared to the average population, so if their kids do average that looks like high mobility
- jbarham 14y ago
  > But would he [Elon Musk] have been able to afford to study in the US? Yes, because he did study in the US, at the University of Pennsylvania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk#Early_life http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk#Early_life). Granted he had a scholarship, but people like Elon Musk tend to get scholarships. For regular Americans state schools are affordable w/ government loans. > The science says that social mobility is much higher in other countries like Denmark than in the US No offence to Denmark but I can't imagine that many immigrants chose to immigrate there instead of the US because of social mobility scores. By definition most immigrants are ambitious, or at least willing to risk leaving their country of birth for the possibility of greater opportunities elsewhere.

by jbarham 14y ago

jules 14y ago

It's true that in the US, rich people are really rich. But would he have been able to afford to study in the US? The science says that social mobility is much higher in other countries like Denmark than in the US: > Several studies have been made comparing social mobility between developed countries. One such study (“Do Poor Children Become Poor Adults?")[5][15][16] found that of nine developed countries, the United States and United Kingdom had the lowest intergenerational vertical social mobility with about half of the advantages of having a parent with a high income passed on to the next generation. The four countries with the lowest "intergenerational income elasticity", i.e. the highest social mobility, were Denmark, Norway, Finland, and Canada with less than 20% of advantages of having a high income parent passed on to their children. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_mobility#Country_comparison http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_mobility#Country_compari...

excuse-me 14y ago
You have to be a little careful with the social mobility stats. Countries with a very equal society score very high on these scales - because they really map "am I rich and were my parents were rich". Countries where everyone is happily in the middle (eg scandanvia) show low correlation with your parents income and that counts as high social mobility - when in fact it's just low mobility for everyone. Countries with a high immigrant population in the preceding generation score very high - just because the first wave of immigrants probably did relatively badly compared to the average population, so if their kids do average that looks like high mobility
jbarham 14y ago
> But would he [Elon Musk] have been able to afford to study in the US? Yes, because he did study in the US, at the University of Pennsylvania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk#Early_life http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk#Early_life). Granted he had a scholarship, but people like Elon Musk tend to get scholarships. For regular Americans state schools are affordable w/ government loans. > The science says that social mobility is much higher in other countries like Denmark than in the US No offence to Denmark but I can't imagine that many immigrants chose to immigrate there instead of the US because of social mobility scores. By definition most immigrants are ambitious, or at least willing to risk leaving their country of birth for the possibility of greater opportunities elsewhere.