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Well, I cannot currently foresee a situation where we’d need to apply this technology to store several orders of magnitude more energy. Even storing 50% more en
by caseyy 2y ago
Well, I cannot currently foresee a situation where we’d need to apply this technology to store several orders of magnitude more energy. Even storing 50% more energy this way in the West would have significant self-reinforcing positive effects on the renewable energy industry.
You might be thinking in an all-or-nothing way. Some solutions don’t need to scale well on cubic scales, etc. Moreover, there is hardly a reason pumped storage power plants can’t be done along side nuclear investment. There isn’t a dichotomy of choice, expanding use of both — or either — would benefit us all.
In fact, there are synergies between pumped storage and nuclear power — pumped storage allows nuclear to more closely meet the peaks and valleys of electricity demand throughout the day.
I think the biggest problem is that the energy sector isn’t making big plant investments due to capitalistic incentives. Why invest into plants if less supply of electricity means a higher unit price, and any state investment into private power companies can go straight into retained earnings/dividend? It would be improving things for technological advancement sake, against investor interests. Things work differently when the power companies are state-owned, of course. But that doesn’t completely flip the script either — technological advancement for advancement sake is still not often pursued. And it’s often even seen as wasteful by the electorate.
If we wanted technological advancement, we have several clear ways to achieve it, even without scaling the current technology exponentially. The problem is that we didn’t want it enough. But now some companies do.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> I cannot currently foresee a situation where we’d need to apply this technology to store several orders of magnitude more energy The current baseline power demand forecasts from the DoE and IEA. > Even storing 50% more energy this way Is in the broad scheme meaningless. It would still require massively increasing our investment in gas generators.
- caseyy 2y agoI don't think we can scale either fossil fuel energy or renewable energy to several orders of magnitude (10^(2+)x). Do we even have means to extract 100x fossil fuels in the time we currently extract 1x on this planet, and does the planet have enough to sustain that pace for a meaningful time? Do we have the means to manufacture 1,000x solar panels and where do we put them, and how much climate change would that cause alone? Same for other renewables. I think it's good to think about investing into energy at these scales, it would open a lot of exciting doors for humanity, as Kardashev described. But we are at the very start of this investment and I think we need vastly different novel technologies to think about 100x, 1,000x, 10,000x, etc. We will probably have to do with what we've got for now.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> don't think we can scale either fossil fuel energy or renewable energy to several orders of magnitude To replace fossil fuels we need to scale renewables by an order of magnitude. To do that without nuclear we need to scale storage by orders of magnitude.