4 ms·
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Colossus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Colossus The immigration has always existed, laws of it shifted, and AFAIK
by avmich 2y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Colossus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Colossus
The immigration has always existed, laws of it shifted, and AFAIK the current level of illegal immigration is not that high. So it's not really a large economical or humanitarian problem, and looks like it's much bigger political one.
- notadoomer236 2y ago[flagged]
- yesbut 2y agoOur society kind of sucks as it is. Nice to get some new families in the neighborhood .
- calgoo 2y agoThere has always been high immigration in the US, its a country built on immigration!! Like others have said, the current levels are not higher then in the past, its just the political parties that are using it to hide the real problems of ultra rich and corporations abusing the country. In regards to changing society; what is changing? The language? Again, the US is built on immigrants. Are the Italian - Americans in NY going to stop being Italian - Americans all of a sudden? No, they will continue being who they are; maybe they will pick up another language or some new recipes for their cookbooks.
- lioeters 2y ago> political parties that are using it to hide the real problems of ultra rich and corporations abusing the country Yup, same in Europe. There's constant fear mongering with racist undertones in the media about illegal immigrants and refugees, it's driving people crazy and violent against each other. All the while they're conveniently distracted from the root of their social ills.
- int_19h 2y agoEurope has the "pie" in form of considerable (by standards of most of the rest of the world, including US) welfare benefits. I don't think it's particularly surprising that people who have access to it today don't want to share. The legal vs illegal distinction is really mostly about that - when it's legal, it can be significantly curtailed (and the same people who are against illegal immigration saying "just go through the process" tend to also be in favor of making that process much more difficult).
- guappa 2y agoWhat welfare benefits? Are you living 50 years ago?
- int_19h 2y agoUnemployment insurance, free healthcare, and some form of guaranteed retirement income are nearly universal. To maintain these at the same levels, you need a certain proportion of people who work in relatively high-paid jobs and pay correspondingly high taxes. Which is precisely why immigration systems in most developed countries emphasize skilled immigration.
- guappa 2y agoThey keep shrinking and shrinking.
- notadoomer236 2y agoI regret that comment. I was upset and shouldn’t have posted it. But what I would say is: countries have distinct cultures, and there’s nothing wrong with wanting to preserve them, which implies controlling the rate of immigration from different cultures. The U.S. would be quite different if we replaced half the population with people from Iran, China, or even England. There is a happy medium.Pros and cons.
- munksbeer 2y ago> It’s in our face. And it’s changing our society. I love the irony in this statement. (Of which I suspect you're completely unaware)
- guappa 2y ago> And it’s changing our society. Ah that's the problem. But you're ok with the fact that your grandpa immigrated and changed the society as well? Why?
- insane_dreamer 2y agostandard racist trope among certain Americans; makes me sick
- itronitron 2y agoI'd argue that legal immigration is changing the US more than illegal immigration because illegal immigration largely originates from other countries in the Americas and therefore more easily fits in with the USA's existing history and culture.
- jumping_frog 2y agoIs the reason why America is filled with illegal migrants (millions allowed till now) because the US power structure wants to decouple from China and will need cheap labour to work in onshore factory?
- red-iron-pine 2y agowhy would they take illegal migrants when you could just put the factories in Mexico? which is what all of the "nearshoring" is about, e.g. chip manufactories in Tijuana low cost, low overhead, no risks due to INS rounding up your people, and no tariffs due to NAFTA. the reason they want the in the US is to work in services to keep costs down, because overall wages have not gone up and the costs of everything domestically needs to trend down -- and that means cheap labor.
- insane_dreamer 2y agoOUR society? Who do you mean by we/our? Who do you think built this country? Immigrants, as free men or slaves, from all over the world.