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Basically because everyone here is an immigrant of some sort just maybe not first generation. Also because the vast majority of people who show up at the Mexica

Basically because everyone here is an immigrant of some sort just maybe not first generation. Also because the vast majority of people who show up at the Mexican border are fleeing horrific violence and when you are fleeing horrific violence it is difficult to always do things by the book. And also it is a reaction to just how poorly these people that otherwise would be classified as refugees get treated. Under Trump in particular family separation became the norm and courts who oversaw immigration cases had kids as young as 4 brought before a judge without family or legal representation.

mc32 2y ago
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- chipotle_coyote 2y ago
  [citation needed]
- worstspotgain 2y ago
  They're fleeing Putin's strategically-created crises in Syria, Venezuela and elsewhere. He gives you the flu, blames the aspirin, and sells you the Ivermectin.
  - mc32 2y ago
    Maduro shat the bed himself with perhaps the aid of his indoctrinated chavistas. They used to get help from Cuba. In any case, it’s their problem. Even Columbia, their neighbors and co-Bolivarians don’t like them going into their country illegally. They also want them out. Man up and do what we did. Armed resistance and overthrow the repressive government and create a new beautiful shining beacon in the southern cone. An implication of your statement is that Putin does this to undermine the US thus bolstering the position that these people weaken rather than strengthen us.
    - worstspotgain 2y ago
      Maduro is a 100% Russian product and service.
      - mc32 2y ago
        Then kick him out of office. Do a Panama and turn it around.
        cloverich 2y ago
        They did; he manipulated the results[1] to avoid leaving. What now? [1]: https://www.state.gov/assessing-the-results-of-venezuelas-presidential-election/ https://www.state.gov/assessing-the-results-of-venezuelas-pr...
  - guappa 2y ago
    Ah yes Russia is the only country creating crisis abroad. I couldn't really name any other country that constantly does that as well.
    - worstspotgain 2y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
      - guappa 2y ago
        Lol, you really really think that south americans being forced to emigrate to the north is putin's fault? It's entirely USA's fault, bringing up putin when talking about immigration in USA is the whatabautism part here :)
- MrLeap 2y ago
  A week ago Alejandro Arcos was decapitated right after he took office as mayor of the city of Chilpancingo, a city of around 280,000 people. Some approximate stats: Mexico has 45,000~ murders a year. The United States has about 25k a year. The population of Mexico is 130m. The population of the US is 350m. One can't derive the distribution of motivations that bring immigrants from these statistics. That said, I'd call that an alarming about of horrific violence. It's safe to say it's not evenly distributed over the whole of Mexico. It's easy to imagine being motivated to move by those statistics/events. Like everything, it's probably a spectrum of motivations. More opportunities, better schools, fewer decapitations?
  - mc32 2y ago
    People get murdered in the US too. We had a presidential candidate who had two attempts on his life this election cycle. Dems glaze over that. Should kids in Chicago get a pass to move to buenos Aires because Chicago is so violent? That’s our problem to solve. Mexicans have their own problems to solve. Of course electing a socialist probably won’t help. They need their own Milei. Early in our history we had a violent Wild West. We fixed it ourselves. They can fix their own things too. They’re not incapable.
    - MrLeap 2y ago
      > People get murdered in the US too. We had a presidential candidate who had two attempts on his life this election cycle. Dems glaze over that I included stats in my post acknowledging the existence of murder in the United States. To your point, if Trump decided to flee to Mexico to escape the violence, I don't believe dems would gloss over that. > Should kids in Chicago get a pass to move to buenos Aires because Chicago is so violent? I would applaud Buenos Aires if they made a compassionate allowance for hypothetical people fleeing Chicago violence. > Early in our history we had a violent Wild West. We fixed it ourselves. They can fix their own things too. They’re not incapable. Everyone is doing the best they can for those within their radius of compassion. It is the way it is.
  - worstspotgain 2y ago
    Everything you wrote is correct. However, Mexico is actually an immigration success story. The net migration flow is around zero [1]. The big picture comes down to supply and demand. Today's supply is from specific countries: Venezuela, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Brazil, a few others. Each country has a different rationale, but generally it boils down to violence, poverty, and Putin. Not necessarily in that order, and often it's all three. "Demand" is due to the congestion backlog in the US immigration courts. A prospective refugee might not see a judge for a year or two. During this period they have to be paroled in and granted work authorization. Most applicants today aren't genuine refugees. This was not the case in prior decades because there was no backlog. Awareness of this loophole makes the US a much more practical and appealing destination than it used to be. The backlog, in turn, stems from the congressional paralysis on immigration. For 20 years the nativists blocked bill after bill, despite large bipartisan support for reform. They did so because every compromise also included a guest-worker program and other immigration benefits. More recently, there was a deal on the table with no GWP and no immigration benefits. In previous years, it would have been a nativist's dream. It was blocked by the Trump campaign in order to "run on the issue." [2] A large fraction of the 2024 immigration numbers is due to Trump, maybe as much as 50% or 80%. For the bigger picture, consider the fact that the exodus in Venezuela and Syria was started by Putin. He gives you the flu (waves of fleeing migrants,) blames the aspirin (the "globalist" Western governments who are forced to handle them,) then sells you the Ivermectin (Trump, Orban, Le Pen, AfD, etc.) [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/07/09/before-covid-19-more-mexicans-came-to-the-u-s-than-left-for-mexico-for-the-first-time-in-years/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/07/09/before-co... [2] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-block-border-security-bill-campaign-border-chaos-rcna153607 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans...

mc32 2y ago

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chipotle_coyote 2y ago
[citation needed]
worstspotgain 2y ago
They're fleeing Putin's strategically-created crises in Syria, Venezuela and elsewhere. He gives you the flu, blames the aspirin, and sells you the Ivermectin.
- mc32 2y ago
  Maduro shat the bed himself with perhaps the aid of his indoctrinated chavistas. They used to get help from Cuba. In any case, it’s their problem. Even Columbia, their neighbors and co-Bolivarians don’t like them going into their country illegally. They also want them out. Man up and do what we did. Armed resistance and overthrow the repressive government and create a new beautiful shining beacon in the southern cone. An implication of your statement is that Putin does this to undermine the US thus bolstering the position that these people weaken rather than strengthen us.
  - worstspotgain 2y ago
    Maduro is a 100% Russian product and service.
    - mc32 2y ago
      Then kick him out of office. Do a Panama and turn it around.
      - cloverich 2y ago
        They did; he manipulated the results[1] to avoid leaving. What now? [1]: https://www.state.gov/assessing-the-results-of-venezuelas-presidential-election/ https://www.state.gov/assessing-the-results-of-venezuelas-pr...
- guappa 2y ago
  Ah yes Russia is the only country creating crisis abroad. I couldn't really name any other country that constantly does that as well.
  - worstspotgain 2y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
    - guappa 2y ago
      Lol, you really really think that south americans being forced to emigrate to the north is putin's fault? It's entirely USA's fault, bringing up putin when talking about immigration in USA is the whatabautism part here :)
MrLeap 2y ago
A week ago Alejandro Arcos was decapitated right after he took office as mayor of the city of Chilpancingo, a city of around 280,000 people. Some approximate stats: Mexico has 45,000~ murders a year. The United States has about 25k a year. The population of Mexico is 130m. The population of the US is 350m. One can't derive the distribution of motivations that bring immigrants from these statistics. That said, I'd call that an alarming about of horrific violence. It's safe to say it's not evenly distributed over the whole of Mexico. It's easy to imagine being motivated to move by those statistics/events. Like everything, it's probably a spectrum of motivations. More opportunities, better schools, fewer decapitations?
- mc32 2y ago
  People get murdered in the US too. We had a presidential candidate who had two attempts on his life this election cycle. Dems glaze over that. Should kids in Chicago get a pass to move to buenos Aires because Chicago is so violent? That’s our problem to solve. Mexicans have their own problems to solve. Of course electing a socialist probably won’t help. They need their own Milei. Early in our history we had a violent Wild West. We fixed it ourselves. They can fix their own things too. They’re not incapable.
  - MrLeap 2y ago
    > People get murdered in the US too. We had a presidential candidate who had two attempts on his life this election cycle. Dems glaze over that I included stats in my post acknowledging the existence of murder in the United States. To your point, if Trump decided to flee to Mexico to escape the violence, I don't believe dems would gloss over that. > Should kids in Chicago get a pass to move to buenos Aires because Chicago is so violent? I would applaud Buenos Aires if they made a compassionate allowance for hypothetical people fleeing Chicago violence. > Early in our history we had a violent Wild West. We fixed it ourselves. They can fix their own things too. They’re not incapable. Everyone is doing the best they can for those within their radius of compassion. It is the way it is.
- worstspotgain 2y ago
  Everything you wrote is correct. However, Mexico is actually an immigration success story. The net migration flow is around zero [1]. The big picture comes down to supply and demand. Today's supply is from specific countries: Venezuela, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Brazil, a few others. Each country has a different rationale, but generally it boils down to violence, poverty, and Putin. Not necessarily in that order, and often it's all three. "Demand" is due to the congestion backlog in the US immigration courts. A prospective refugee might not see a judge for a year or two. During this period they have to be paroled in and granted work authorization. Most applicants today aren't genuine refugees. This was not the case in prior decades because there was no backlog. Awareness of this loophole makes the US a much more practical and appealing destination than it used to be. The backlog, in turn, stems from the congressional paralysis on immigration. For 20 years the nativists blocked bill after bill, despite large bipartisan support for reform. They did so because every compromise also included a guest-worker program and other immigration benefits. More recently, there was a deal on the table with no GWP and no immigration benefits. In previous years, it would have been a nativist's dream. It was blocked by the Trump campaign in order to "run on the issue." [2] A large fraction of the 2024 immigration numbers is due to Trump, maybe as much as 50% or 80%. For the bigger picture, consider the fact that the exodus in Venezuela and Syria was started by Putin. He gives you the flu (waves of fleeing migrants,) blames the aspirin (the "globalist" Western governments who are forced to handle them,) then sells you the Ivermectin (Trump, Orban, Le Pen, AfD, etc.) [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/07/09/before-covid-19-more-mexicans-came-to-the-u-s-than-left-for-mexico-for-the-first-time-in-years/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/07/09/before-co... [2] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-block-border-security-bill-campaign-border-chaos-rcna153607 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans...