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>My concerns are around the normalization of pointing high-resolution cameras at people around you all the time. This already exists with CCTVs on every major

>My concerns are around the normalization of pointing high-resolution cameras at people around you all the time. This already exists with CCTVs on every major city streetcorner and Ring cameras on every doorstep. Not to mention Tesla cloud-connected cameras pointed inward and outward.

massysett 2y ago
Most of the CCTV and Ring cameras are pretty lousy and they're in fixed locations. All the time I'll be out walking and hear an obnoxious "You are currently being recorded" announcement, but I'm far enough away from that cheap camera that I'm probably a shadowy figure in a grainy video. These VR headsets on the other hand are high-quality, very close to other people, and mobile.
- hammock 2y ago
  >Most of the CCTV and Ring cameras are pretty lousy and they're in fixed locations. The CCTVs in Chicago are 360 degree panning plus up/down, and can zoom-in four blocks away with enough resolution to make out a face and license plate. https://www.chicagotribune.com/2024/09/29/chicago-police-cameras/#:~:text=At%20that%20corner%2C%20police%20had,up%20to%20four%20blocks%20away https://www.chicagotribune.com/2024/09/29/chicago-police-cam.... Here is an example of the cameras in action: https://x.com/CWBChicago/status/1445124776742227980 https://x.com/CWBChicago/status/1445124776742227980
  - oefnak 2y ago
    Did you have to pick a video where somebody is killed?
    - edm0nd 2y ago
      It's Chicago and that's pretty normal there.
      - smnrg 2y ago
        Lol. Lines like this make it clear that anyone speaking about it has never actually lived in Chicago. They may own a big hotel, run for public office, or (here) they may link a source or two leveraging a couple of neighborhoods raising statistics. But they clearly never lived in, or know what it's like to live in, Chicago.
        edm0nd 2y ago
        No need to live there to know its reality. This type of violence is normalized there. https://heyjackass.com/ https://heyjackass.com/
        smnrg 2y ago
        Q.E.D. :)
- mixmastamyk 2y ago
  Don't confuse temporary with forever. I remember folks dismissing digital cameras out of hand, and now you can barely buy an alternative.
heeton 2y ago
I feel it's harder for a tesla to capture footage of a teenager reading a pamphlet on a plane, but who knows what Elon's plans are.
- hammock 2y ago
  The airlines can do that themselves: "Newer seat-back entertainment systems on some airplanes operated by American Airlines, Delta Air Lines, United Airlines and Singapore Airlines have cameras, and it’s likely they are also on planes used by other carriers." https://apnews.com/article/4c3ca3b46c704c6080ba026729fc8d21 https://apnews.com/article/4c3ca3b46c704c6080ba026729fc8d21
  - trompetenaccoun 2y ago
    I fly a lot (though not in the US) and have never seen that. Would personally boycott airlines where I notice cameras in the back seats, wtf!
    - hammock 2y ago
      https://preview.redd.it/passenger-facing-seat-back-cameras-v0-4c7werioks3d1.jpg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f3ad181c9c35dba88c28c3ad0fefca025273e7eb https://preview.redd.it/passenger-facing-seat-back-cameras-v...
signa11 2y ago
cctvs are fixed, this is mobile ! not the same difference.
piltdownman 2y ago
Try getting CCTV footage passed as admissible in court in most of Europe. It's basically impossible, even at HD resolutions. That's if you can even get hold of the footage under GDPR - as it requires the police to request the footage and follow up with the business to ensure its passed on.
red_admiral 2y ago
But we don't have CCTV in bathrooms, locker/changing rooms or swimming pools etc. You can't take a Tesla in there either (please don't give Elon any ideas though). While I can't promise that all CCTV operators are honest people, at least there's some chance of going after the company involved if there's a mess-up. Random people on the street where you have no idea who they are filming you, that's a different thing. Randos installing hidden cameras in women's toilets seems to be a big enough problem in South Korea that some of the public toilets at major stations are security checked for them every single day, as far as I know. I don't want those people anywhere near me with an always-on camera, even in public fully-clothed spaces.

massysett 2y ago

Most of the CCTV and Ring cameras are pretty lousy and they're in fixed locations. All the time I'll be out walking and hear an obnoxious "You are currently being recorded" announcement, but I'm far enough away from that cheap camera that I'm probably a shadowy figure in a grainy video. These VR headsets on the other hand are high-quality, very close to other people, and mobile.

hammock 2y ago
>Most of the CCTV and Ring cameras are pretty lousy and they're in fixed locations. The CCTVs in Chicago are 360 degree panning plus up/down, and can zoom-in four blocks away with enough resolution to make out a face and license plate. https://www.chicagotribune.com/2024/09/29/chicago-police-cameras/#:~:text=At%20that%20corner%2C%20police%20had,up%20to%20four%20blocks%20away https://www.chicagotribune.com/2024/09/29/chicago-police-cam.... Here is an example of the cameras in action: https://x.com/CWBChicago/status/1445124776742227980 https://x.com/CWBChicago/status/1445124776742227980
- oefnak 2y ago
  Did you have to pick a video where somebody is killed?
  - edm0nd 2y ago
    It's Chicago and that's pretty normal there.
    - smnrg 2y ago
      Lol. Lines like this make it clear that anyone speaking about it has never actually lived in Chicago. They may own a big hotel, run for public office, or (here) they may link a source or two leveraging a couple of neighborhoods raising statistics. But they clearly never lived in, or know what it's like to live in, Chicago.
      - edm0nd 2y ago
        No need to live there to know its reality. This type of violence is normalized there. https://heyjackass.com/ https://heyjackass.com/
        smnrg 2y ago
        Q.E.D. :)
mixmastamyk 2y ago
Don't confuse temporary with forever. I remember folks dismissing digital cameras out of hand, and now you can barely buy an alternative.

heeton 2y ago

I feel it's harder for a tesla to capture footage of a teenager reading a pamphlet on a plane, but who knows what Elon's plans are.

hammock 2y ago
The airlines can do that themselves: "Newer seat-back entertainment systems on some airplanes operated by American Airlines, Delta Air Lines, United Airlines and Singapore Airlines have cameras, and it’s likely they are also on planes used by other carriers." https://apnews.com/article/4c3ca3b46c704c6080ba026729fc8d21 https://apnews.com/article/4c3ca3b46c704c6080ba026729fc8d21
- trompetenaccoun 2y ago
  I fly a lot (though not in the US) and have never seen that. Would personally boycott airlines where I notice cameras in the back seats, wtf!
  - hammock 2y ago
    https://preview.redd.it/passenger-facing-seat-back-cameras-v0-4c7werioks3d1.jpg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f3ad181c9c35dba88c28c3ad0fefca025273e7eb https://preview.redd.it/passenger-facing-seat-back-cameras-v...

signa11 2y ago

cctvs are fixed, this is mobile ! not the same difference.

piltdownman 2y ago

Try getting CCTV footage passed as admissible in court in most of Europe. It's basically impossible, even at HD resolutions. That's if you can even get hold of the footage under GDPR - as it requires the police to request the footage and follow up with the business to ensure its passed on.

red_admiral 2y ago

But we don't have CCTV in bathrooms, locker/changing rooms or swimming pools etc. You can't take a Tesla in there either (please don't give Elon any ideas though). While I can't promise that all CCTV operators are honest people, at least there's some chance of going after the company involved if there's a mess-up. Random people on the street where you have no idea who they are filming you, that's a different thing. Randos installing hidden cameras in women's toilets seems to be a big enough problem in South Korea that some of the public toilets at major stations are security checked for them every single day, as far as I know. I don't want those people anywhere near me with an always-on camera, even in public fully-clothed spaces.