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Germany is a tragic real-world example. Take a look at what Germany did to itself. Compare France. The anti-nuclear wind/solar proponents are dangerously wron

Germany is a tragic real-world example. Take a look at what Germany did to itself. Compare France. The anti-nuclear wind/solar proponents are dangerously wrong.

_aavaa_ 2y ago
That Germany's early retirement of its fleet was a bad idea does not mean that building more is a good idea.
barbazoo 2y ago
Germany has been reducing its carbon emissions by increasing the ratio of renewable energy, year after year despite the exit from nuclear power. https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-consumption-and-power-mix-charts https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-c... Isn't that the goal? If they can do that without nuclear power - great. Despite France's >50% nuclear power they have a much higher ratio of "dirty" power compared to Germany. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_France https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_France
- emptyfile 2y ago
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- Manuel_D 2y ago
  Germany's energy industry emits 6 times as much greenhouse gases per MWh of electricity generated than France: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/economy/article/2024/09/08/france-vs-germany-which-country-is-better-at-reducing-greenhouse-gas-emissions-from-its-factories_6725219_19.html#:~:text=Germany's%20mix%20has%20a%20higher,require%20significant%20electrification%20of%20processes https://www.lemonde.fr/en/economy/article/2024/09/08/france-.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Germany#/media/File:Energy_mix_in_Germany.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Germany#/media/File:... Germany's energy is 80% fossil fuels. France's is 50%. I'm not sure how you reached the conclusion that Germany's energy mix is less "dirty" than Frances.
  - barbazoo 2y ago
    > Germany's energy is 80% fossil fuels. Where did you get that number from? https://www.iea.org/countries/germany https://www.iea.org/countries/germany > Renewables 39.4% share of power generation, 2022 vs. France's 26.1%. Edit: I guess you might be talking about consumption whereas I'm talking about production.
    - Manuel_D 2y ago
      Nuclear power is less "dirty" than most forms of renewables: https://world-nuclear.org/images/articles/0a2091ce-35b3-4ada-969d-a5db4690a4dd.jpg https://world-nuclear.org/images/articles/0a2091ce-35b3-4ada... Again, Germany emits 6 times as much C02 for every MWh of electricity generated as France. It's not an issue of production vs. consumption. You're counting nuclear power, which is heavily utilized by France, as a "dirty" energy source despite the fact that it's cleaner than most renewables.
- scotty79 2y ago
  I read that it turned from being large exporter of energy to be large importer.
Ghaenergyyy 2y ago
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Germany is a tragic real-world example. Take a look at what Germany did to itself. Compare France. The anti-nuclear wind/solar proponents are dangerously wrong.

_aavaa_ 2y ago

That Germany's early retirement of its fleet was a bad idea does not mean that building more is a good idea.

barbazoo 2y ago

Germany has been reducing its carbon emissions by increasing the ratio of renewable energy, year after year despite the exit from nuclear power. https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-consumption-and-power-mix-charts https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-c... Isn't that the goal? If they can do that without nuclear power - great. Despite France's >50% nuclear power they have a much higher ratio of "dirty" power compared to Germany. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_France https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_France

emptyfile 2y ago
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Manuel_D 2y ago
Germany's energy industry emits 6 times as much greenhouse gases per MWh of electricity generated than France: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/economy/article/2024/09/08/france-vs-germany-which-country-is-better-at-reducing-greenhouse-gas-emissions-from-its-factories_6725219_19.html#:~:text=Germany's%20mix%20has%20a%20higher,require%20significant%20electrification%20of%20processes https://www.lemonde.fr/en/economy/article/2024/09/08/france-.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Germany#/media/File:Energy_mix_in_Germany.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Germany#/media/File:... Germany's energy is 80% fossil fuels. France's is 50%. I'm not sure how you reached the conclusion that Germany's energy mix is less "dirty" than Frances.
- barbazoo 2y ago
  > Germany's energy is 80% fossil fuels. Where did you get that number from? https://www.iea.org/countries/germany https://www.iea.org/countries/germany > Renewables 39.4% share of power generation, 2022 vs. France's 26.1%. Edit: I guess you might be talking about consumption whereas I'm talking about production.
  - Manuel_D 2y ago
    Nuclear power is less "dirty" than most forms of renewables: https://world-nuclear.org/images/articles/0a2091ce-35b3-4ada-969d-a5db4690a4dd.jpg https://world-nuclear.org/images/articles/0a2091ce-35b3-4ada... Again, Germany emits 6 times as much C02 for every MWh of electricity generated as France. It's not an issue of production vs. consumption. You're counting nuclear power, which is heavily utilized by France, as a "dirty" energy source despite the fact that it's cleaner than most renewables.
scotty79 2y ago
I read that it turned from being large exporter of energy to be large importer.

Ghaenergyyy 2y ago

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