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Force is only one of many methods to achieve certain outcomes, not all methods that could achieve the same general outcome are known, very little cognitive effo
by mistermann 2y ago
Force is only one of many methods to achieve certain outcomes, not all methods that could achieve the same general outcome are known, very little cognitive effort is put into searching for alternatives, leaving few options other than speculation if one is obligated to form a conclusion on the matter.
- scottyah 2y agoAll deliberate actions to achieve certain outcomes are "force", it is a scale not a binary option.
- mistermann 2y agoI am skeptical, let's run an experiment and see what the response is: Is feeding the homeless so they are not hungry "force"? Is lending a compassionate ear to someone suffering so they may feel a bit better "force"? Is making myself a nice sandwich and watching a movie because I find it pleasant "force"?
- shiroiushi 2y ago>Is making myself a nice sandwich and watching a movie because I find it pleasant "force"? To the chicken, turkey, pig, or cow that died to make the meat in your sandwich, definitely yes.
- wonnage 2y agothe mental gymnastics it took to write this hot take must be "force" too
- mistermann 2y agoAt least there is a logical path in that claim (if we ignore that I didn't specify that there was meat in the sandwich...I do eat a lot of plain tomato sandwiches, but not exclusively, so I do to some degree drive demand for animal slaughter)! I think it's kind of neat that we got from Palantir to sandwiches... I wonder if Palantir's software supports mapping metaphysical causality like this, because bizarre metaphysical causality is the root cause of war in the first place!
- scottyah 2y agoYou're the one who directly took us from Palantir to sandwiches, in a clear attempt to distract from the core subject of manipulating humans on a mass scale without using "force"
- mistermann 2y agoGuilty as charged. Do you think this is necessarily a bad thing?
- butlike 2y agoWhat's the opportunity cost on watching a movie with a sandwich over 'continuing research to help cure cancer?' You're forcing people to endure cancer while enjoying a sandwich and a movie.
- mistermann 2y agoAre you suggesting that I am a cancer researcher (I'm quite sure I'm not), or that a cure for cancer hasn't been found because researchers are lazy?