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This. I cannot believe people are telling me to just open everything. It's nuts. Imagine if someone found your personal code and just decided to open it without

This. I cannot believe people are telling me to just open everything. It's nuts. Imagine if someone found your personal code and just decided to open it without your permission or knowledge!

sph 2y ago
My personal code isn't licensed, so there is nothing that stops you from doing that if you get your hands on my hard drive. What has licensing got to do with it? Also, we're not talking about personal code either, but something that is arguably a product humanity, or a part thereof, would want to preserve for posterity. Lastly, no one is telling you to open anything. I am saying that if someone decides something you have created need to be preserved, they should go ahead. You can protest, you can sue, the point is it shouldn't stop anyone from trying. Which doesn't apply to this case, as the owner of Winamp actually wanted to make it open source.
- VonGuard 2y ago
  OK, but again, people are telling me to take code I do not own the rights to, and to release it under an open source license. That's 100% illegal. This is the equivalent of me taking a Stephen King novel and pasting it into a webpage and attaching a Creative Commons license. That does NOT make the Stephen King novel open source. It just gets me in trouble and sued. And the license matters. We're talking about something owned by a company somewhere, legally. Humanity's concerns don't matter in business and legal affairs. As I stated above, I agree that we should be able to save everything. But this has nothing at all to do with what's good for humanity. This is about money and copyright law. Also, OK, your personal code is not licensed. Great, now I can take it and license it myself, copyright it myself, and then sue you for hosting it in your github account. Hey, I'd be in the wrong, but if I lawyer up I can just win by spending money and waiting you out. This is the world we live in. It's not good, but it's reality.
  - sph 2y ago
    > OK, but again, people are telling me to take code I do not own the rights to, and to release it under an open source license. Who is telling you that? Literally no one. In my original comment, the preservationist is NOT the author, as it's the author that is liable to be sued by releasing proprietary material. In my comment, the preservationist is a third-party that should NOT be concerned with such matters, even if being forbidden by copyright law. Imagine the Internet Archive, which already operate this way, and I applaud, because the service they offer is better than if they had to respect all legal nonsense. No one is telling you to do anything with YOUR code, and code you are legally liable for. No one is putting a pistol to your head, so I don't get why you are being so defensive to my admittedly unpopular opinion. Do whatever you want.
  - account42 2y ago
    > Humanity's concerns don't matter in business and legal affairs. Then it's only fair for humans to not concern themselves with business and legal affairs.
- favorited 2y ago
  > My personal code isn't licensed, so there is nothing that stops you from doing that if you get your hands on my hard drive This is not true. You can't redistribute someone else's IP without a license from the owner.
  - sph 2y ago
    In which country? What if the owner has passed?
    - anthk 2y ago
      Efen if the owner has passed, you can't still legally copy around The Twilight Zone from the 50's in the US. In my country it's legal to do so -if there's no profit- on media, but not for propietary software with sharing restrictions.

This. I cannot believe people are telling me to just open everything. It's nuts. Imagine if someone found your personal code and just decided to open it without your permission or knowledge!

sph 2y ago

My personal code isn't licensed, so there is nothing that stops you from doing that if you get your hands on my hard drive. What has licensing got to do with it? Also, we're not talking about personal code either, but something that is arguably a product humanity, or a part thereof, would want to preserve for posterity. Lastly, no one is telling you to open anything. I am saying that if someone decides something you have created need to be preserved, they should go ahead. You can protest, you can sue, the point is it shouldn't stop anyone from trying. Which doesn't apply to this case, as the owner of Winamp actually wanted to make it open source.

VonGuard 2y ago
OK, but again, people are telling me to take code I do not own the rights to, and to release it under an open source license. That's 100% illegal. This is the equivalent of me taking a Stephen King novel and pasting it into a webpage and attaching a Creative Commons license. That does NOT make the Stephen King novel open source. It just gets me in trouble and sued. And the license matters. We're talking about something owned by a company somewhere, legally. Humanity's concerns don't matter in business and legal affairs. As I stated above, I agree that we should be able to save everything. But this has nothing at all to do with what's good for humanity. This is about money and copyright law. Also, OK, your personal code is not licensed. Great, now I can take it and license it myself, copyright it myself, and then sue you for hosting it in your github account. Hey, I'd be in the wrong, but if I lawyer up I can just win by spending money and waiting you out. This is the world we live in. It's not good, but it's reality.
- sph 2y ago
  > OK, but again, people are telling me to take code I do not own the rights to, and to release it under an open source license. Who is telling you that? Literally no one. In my original comment, the preservationist is NOT the author, as it's the author that is liable to be sued by releasing proprietary material. In my comment, the preservationist is a third-party that should NOT be concerned with such matters, even if being forbidden by copyright law. Imagine the Internet Archive, which already operate this way, and I applaud, because the service they offer is better than if they had to respect all legal nonsense. No one is telling you to do anything with YOUR code, and code you are legally liable for. No one is putting a pistol to your head, so I don't get why you are being so defensive to my admittedly unpopular opinion. Do whatever you want.
- account42 2y ago
  > Humanity's concerns don't matter in business and legal affairs. Then it's only fair for humans to not concern themselves with business and legal affairs.
favorited 2y ago
> My personal code isn't licensed, so there is nothing that stops you from doing that if you get your hands on my hard drive This is not true. You can't redistribute someone else's IP without a license from the owner.
- sph 2y ago
  In which country? What if the owner has passed?
  - anthk 2y ago
    Efen if the owner has passed, you can't still legally copy around The Twilight Zone from the 50's in the US. In my country it's legal to do so -if there's no profit- on media, but not for propietary software with sharing restrictions.