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There appears to be a lot of FUD in that article which is unjustified or loosely cited. For example the following paragraph: "Standardization is slow, so propr

There appears to be a lot of FUD in that article which is unjustified or loosely cited. For example the following paragraph: "Standardization is slow, so proprietary platforms are the first to solve problems. Flash, Silverlight, and JavaFX offer desktop like frameworks but carry technical flaws: the iPhone doesn’t support them, vendors may break things at any time, and the runtimes are often slower than JavaScript." Most of it is rubbish. However, I'm a firm believer that if you're going to build desktop class applications, you do it in a desktop class runtime, not JavaScript. If you have Java installed on your workstation, click here to launch ArgoUML (UML editor). This is what I expect from a "desktop class application" from deployment to usability: http://argouml-downloads.tigris.org/jws/argouml-latest-stable.jnlp http://argouml-downloads.tigris.org/jws/argouml-latest-stabl...

jawngee 14y ago
No offense, but your aesthetic sensibilities suck if you think this argo UML is a desktop class application in the realm of natively built desktop class apps. These apps belong to what I refer to as the "just barely good enough" class of desktop apps. Doesn't look native, doesn't feel native, aesthetics are strictly academic stuck in the 1990's and usability is just north of nominal. This is a prime example. Fonts, control spacing, inconsistent sizing, 8-bit aliased bitmaps ... it looks like crap compared to a native app like OmniGraffle.
- gouranga 14y ago
  No offense taken. Perhaps a bad example aesthetically I agree, but otherwise the experience is good. Please note that Argo is a heavyweight engineering tool with metadata, not a pretty picture generator. It's an order of magnitude more powerful with respect to semantic modelling. What it looks like is less important that how it works in that sector. EDIT: also regarding native appearance. Every web site looks different - should have a common stylesheet for everyone? No.
batista 14y ago
>If you have Java installed on your workstation, click here to launch ArgoUML (UML editor). This is what I expect from a "desktop class application" from deployment to usability Is this a joke? That would be barely tolerable for 2000. Slow, clunky, non-native feeling, the bad kind of cross-platform, a UI beaten with the ugly stick and very little thinking about usability issues.
- gouranga 14y ago
  Its not designed to be pretty :) Its not some cocoa jerk fest with 50,000 blog followers masturbating over it. It's an engineering tool. It serves it's purpose and goes home. Its certainly not slow and not clunky.

jawngee 14y ago

No offense, but your aesthetic sensibilities suck if you think this argo UML is a desktop class application in the realm of natively built desktop class apps. These apps belong to what I refer to as the "just barely good enough" class of desktop apps. Doesn't look native, doesn't feel native, aesthetics are strictly academic stuck in the 1990's and usability is just north of nominal. This is a prime example. Fonts, control spacing, inconsistent sizing, 8-bit aliased bitmaps ... it looks like crap compared to a native app like OmniGraffle.

gouranga 14y ago
No offense taken. Perhaps a bad example aesthetically I agree, but otherwise the experience is good. Please note that Argo is a heavyweight engineering tool with metadata, not a pretty picture generator. It's an order of magnitude more powerful with respect to semantic modelling. What it looks like is less important that how it works in that sector. EDIT: also regarding native appearance. Every web site looks different - should have a common stylesheet for everyone? No.

batista 14y ago

>If you have Java installed on your workstation, click here to launch ArgoUML (UML editor). This is what I expect from a "desktop class application" from deployment to usability Is this a joke? That would be barely tolerable for 2000. Slow, clunky, non-native feeling, the bad kind of cross-platform, a UI beaten with the ugly stick and very little thinking about usability issues.

gouranga 14y ago
Its not designed to be pretty :) Its not some cocoa jerk fest with 50,000 blog followers masturbating over it. It's an engineering tool. It serves it's purpose and goes home. Its certainly not slow and not clunky.