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Brussels doesn't dictate any laws, member countries send elected and appointed people to Brussels then those people come together and agree on what to do and ho

by mrtksn 2y ago

Brussels doesn't dictate any laws, member countries send elected and appointed people to Brussels then those people come together and agree on what to do and how to do it together and publish the directives like this one. Countries like UK don't have a say on it anymore because they left the organization. EU doesn't impose any red tape over UK, it's just that if a British company wants to trade with EU needs to prove that they are doing it in accordance with the trade agreements with EU and that their products meet the EU standards. For example, the UK companies will need to prove that the product that they sell in EU is mainly made in UK and not just an import from China(EU doesn't want UK to be hub for circumvention of trade deal, if China wants to sell stuff to EU they should do it with EU-China trade deals), then they will need to prove that their products meets the EU standards(EU doesn't want to import products that don't EU standards. Since UK is no longer a member, they can produce products that don't meet the EU standards and as a result UK companies need to prove that they meet EU standards). That's why there's so much red tape and paperwork, this is to allow UK not to produce their stuff in accordance with the EU regulations and sign their own trade deal. For example, UK is now free to import chlorinated chicken from the USA and lead-paint from China if that's what they want or in less cynical words, UK is free to trade with the rest of the world in their own terms. That was one of the core promises of Brexit anyway and it was delivered. Ps: banana curvature thing is a Euromyth[0]. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromyth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromyth

mike_hearn 2y ago
> banana curvature thing is a Euromyth EU Regulation 2257/94 governed the curvature of bananas. It was later replaced with EU Regulation 1333/2011 which is specifically a regulation on bananas and lays down specific requirements for bananas, in particular on their colour, firmness, ripeness, curvature of the fingers, bruising, moistness, smell and many other factors. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32011R1333 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A...
- mrtksn 2y ago
  That's false, it didn't govern curved bananas. At one point they considered creating a classification for bananas, not banning curved/straight bananas. It's in the document that you linked. Even if that was the case, it would have ment that the UK demanded that. EU is not a Belgian institution, only the building is there and the people in that Building that make those EU laws and regulations are from France, Denmark, Spain and previously UK. You can confirm that by checking old photos and spot Nigel Farage. Anyway, food in UK is horrendous and maybe UK should just go with the flow and do whatever continentals say about food :) Continentals can learn other stuff from the British of course. Like tap water being provided for free at every restaurant.
  - mike_hearn 2y ago
    Why do you guys keep pretending this is a myth or didn't happen when you can read the regulations for yourself? I even gave you a link to read. The regulation is quite clearly written, no need to be afraid of it. And as for the silly "ban vs classify" word games, the European Commission's own press release on the repeal proposal said that they did ban curved bananas, and that they regretted doing so: The proposal would also allow Member States to exempt fruit and vegetables from specific marketing standards if they are sold with a label "products intended for processing" or equivalent wording. Such products could be either misshapen or under-sized and could for example be used by consumers for cooking or salads etc. In this era of high prices and growing demand, it makes no sense to throw these products away or destroy them. "This is a concrete example of our drive to cut red tape and I will continue to push until it goes through," said Mariann Fischer Boel, Commissioner for Agriculture and Rural Development. "It shouldn't be the EU's job to regulate these things. It is far better to leave it to market operators. It will also cut down on unnecessary waste and benefit consumers." https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/mex_08_0723 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/mex_08... Key sentences: • it makes no sense to throw these products away or destroy them • it will also cut down on unnecessary waste Why do you bring up Nigel Farage? Are you aware of how the EU works constitutionally? Farage was only ever in the European Parliament, which isn't allowed to write laws. It's one of the reasons Farage criticized it. That's why the press release about repealing "red tape" comes from a Commissioner, not an MEP. Your final swipe at British food is uncalled for. Where I live there are shops dedicated to selling nothing but British food and they do well. Isn't the EU supposed to be all about cooperation and harmony between nations?
rob_c 2y ago
> banana curvature thing is a Euromyth[0]. yes, it's an example by absurdity of the problems, people believed it because of the amount of bloody paperwork that was introduced where there maybe wasn't any before... Honestly if you aren't aware that no rule was made about this, either a) you're ill informed on a topic, b) you're a screeming anti EU phobic moron, or c) you've been living under some sort of teflon coated cover that has kept you from realising the only way people in the media, (politicians, celebrities, neds, chavs...) get any attention is to exagerate. Blimey... satire is lost on some people.

by mrtksn 2y ago

mike_hearn 2y ago

> banana curvature thing is a Euromyth EU Regulation 2257/94 governed the curvature of bananas. It was later replaced with EU Regulation 1333/2011 which is specifically a regulation on bananas and lays down specific requirements for bananas, in particular on their colour, firmness, ripeness, curvature of the fingers, bruising, moistness, smell and many other factors. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32011R1333 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A...

mrtksn 2y ago
That's false, it didn't govern curved bananas. At one point they considered creating a classification for bananas, not banning curved/straight bananas. It's in the document that you linked. Even if that was the case, it would have ment that the UK demanded that. EU is not a Belgian institution, only the building is there and the people in that Building that make those EU laws and regulations are from France, Denmark, Spain and previously UK. You can confirm that by checking old photos and spot Nigel Farage. Anyway, food in UK is horrendous and maybe UK should just go with the flow and do whatever continentals say about food :) Continentals can learn other stuff from the British of course. Like tap water being provided for free at every restaurant.
- mike_hearn 2y ago
  Why do you guys keep pretending this is a myth or didn't happen when you can read the regulations for yourself? I even gave you a link to read. The regulation is quite clearly written, no need to be afraid of it. And as for the silly "ban vs classify" word games, the European Commission's own press release on the repeal proposal said that they did ban curved bananas, and that they regretted doing so: The proposal would also allow Member States to exempt fruit and vegetables from specific marketing standards if they are sold with a label "products intended for processing" or equivalent wording. Such products could be either misshapen or under-sized and could for example be used by consumers for cooking or salads etc. In this era of high prices and growing demand, it makes no sense to throw these products away or destroy them. "This is a concrete example of our drive to cut red tape and I will continue to push until it goes through," said Mariann Fischer Boel, Commissioner for Agriculture and Rural Development. "It shouldn't be the EU's job to regulate these things. It is far better to leave it to market operators. It will also cut down on unnecessary waste and benefit consumers." https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/mex_08_0723 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/mex_08... Key sentences: • it makes no sense to throw these products away or destroy them • it will also cut down on unnecessary waste Why do you bring up Nigel Farage? Are you aware of how the EU works constitutionally? Farage was only ever in the European Parliament, which isn't allowed to write laws. It's one of the reasons Farage criticized it. That's why the press release about repealing "red tape" comes from a Commissioner, not an MEP. Your final swipe at British food is uncalled for. Where I live there are shops dedicated to selling nothing but British food and they do well. Isn't the EU supposed to be all about cooperation and harmony between nations?

rob_c 2y ago

> banana curvature thing is a Euromyth[0]. yes, it's an example by absurdity of the problems, people believed it because of the amount of bloody paperwork that was introduced where there maybe wasn't any before... Honestly if you aren't aware that no rule was made about this, either a) you're ill informed on a topic, b) you're a screeming anti EU phobic moron, or c) you've been living under some sort of teflon coated cover that has kept you from realising the only way people in the media, (politicians, celebrities, neds, chavs...) get any attention is to exagerate. Blimey... satire is lost on some people.