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You’re comparing the wrong computer to the high end of x86. Apple is doing it with Desktop M2 Ultra/M3 Max series chips and AWS with Graviton vs server chips.

You’re comparing the wrong computer to the high end of x86. Apple is doing it with Desktop M2 Ultra/M3 Max series chips and AWS with Graviton vs server chips. Apple has already caught Intel in single core. If power didn’t matter to Apple they could surely optimize for pure performance, but they’re not competitive in the spaces where power does not matter and we will never see them being that chip to market. There are always trade offs at the exotic tier and someone will always win one benchmark over the other, but you can’t say that ARM is being laughed at by Intel. If they were laughing they wouldn’t be partnering with AMD. While I don’t think Intel is super worried about Apple since it’s an Apples to Windows/Linux comparison, I do think they’re worried about Qualcomm and AWS catching Apple and actually eating into their market share.

Wytwwww 2y ago
> Apple has already caught Intel in single core. If power didn’t matter to Apple they could surely optimize for pure performance But that's Apple, not ARM. AFAIK Neoverse/Gravitron's main advantage is price (not having to pay Intel/AMD "inflated" duopoly prices) rather than actual performance.
leptons 2y ago
>You’re comparing the wrong computer to the high end of x86. Apple has nothing that comes close to the top-tier x86 CPUs. It just doesn't. Not in the ipad, not in any of their hardware. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html Go ahead and search for an ARM CPU... they are nowhere near close to the top. >Apple has already caught Intel in single core. I don't care. If your workload runs fine a single core, then good for you. The fact is that Apple doesn't have a chip that can compete with the top x86 CPUs overall performance, simply because Apple doesn't care about that market at all. All they care about is selling the cheapest made computer to people who won't notice that their computer isn't all that fast - the average consumer. They don't care about power users. You'll never, ever see Apple silicon beating the top chips from AMD or Intel in total processing power. Nothing wrong with that, but my point still stands, ARM is nowhere near x86 in terms of processing power. > you can’t say that ARM is being laughed at by Intel. Yes I absolutely can, and I specifically said that about available software. ARM has nowhere near the available software that x86 does. x86 absolutely laughs at ARM where available software is the concern.

Wytwwww 2y ago

> Apple has already caught Intel in single core. If power didn’t matter to Apple they could surely optimize for pure performance But that's Apple, not ARM. AFAIK Neoverse/Gravitron's main advantage is price (not having to pay Intel/AMD "inflated" duopoly prices) rather than actual performance.

leptons 2y ago

>You’re comparing the wrong computer to the high end of x86. Apple has nothing that comes close to the top-tier x86 CPUs. It just doesn't. Not in the ipad, not in any of their hardware. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html Go ahead and search for an ARM CPU... they are nowhere near close to the top. >Apple has already caught Intel in single core. I don't care. If your workload runs fine a single core, then good for you. The fact is that Apple doesn't have a chip that can compete with the top x86 CPUs overall performance, simply because Apple doesn't care about that market at all. All they care about is selling the cheapest made computer to people who won't notice that their computer isn't all that fast - the average consumer. They don't care about power users. You'll never, ever see Apple silicon beating the top chips from AMD or Intel in total processing power. Nothing wrong with that, but my point still stands, ARM is nowhere near x86 in terms of processing power. > you can’t say that ARM is being laughed at by Intel. Yes I absolutely can, and I specifically said that about available software. ARM has nowhere near the available software that x86 does. x86 absolutely laughs at ARM where available software is the concern.