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I can immediately tell that this is the perspective of someone whose sole source of information about FSD is the MSM. My Tesla drives me around the city autonom

I can immediately tell that this is the perspective of someone whose sole source of information about FSD is the MSM. My Tesla drives me around the city autonomously every day, and you're sitting here telling me it doesn't. FSD is already a solved problem. It's real, you can buy it, and you can use it, right now. And it keeps getting better and better with every new version.

piva00 2y ago
Anecdotes are never a good sample. It drives well in your city but we don't know anything about how has Tesla tailored that experience to your city. Did they need to run around mapping it with their own LIDARs and feed into some learning model to provide it in your city? Because that won't scale. Did they use only camera vision? Because there's also multiple videos showing FSD not driving well at all in some cities. We cannot tell, and that's the whole problem, your anecdote that FSD works well for you is a N = 1, there are other reports on HN about others having the same experience as you, it's great it works for you, people! It doesn't mean it's been generalised and works in any city, we simply cannot know, and the longer time passes the less trust the general public has with Tesla. As another anecdote: I know at least 2 people for which FSD doesn't work well in their cities, to the point where they're afraid of turning it on even when paying full attention, and both regret paying for it. This is not a good sample either, we just don't have enough data.
- andrewinardeer 2y ago
  > It drives well in your city but we don't know anything about how has Tesla tailored that experience to your city. Spot on. I am keen to see how FSD manages to execute hook turns to accommodate for the trams here in Melbourne, AU. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hook_turn https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hook_turn
cameldrv 2y ago
What was promised was a robotaxi, not “keep your eyes on the road or FSD will disengage.” As it is, if you let FSD drive and don’t ever intervene, you will have frequent crashes.
- nunez 2y ago
  I love FSD, but this is absolutely true. It is an excellent hands-free driving system. It is NOT autonomous without supervision.
  - cogman10 2y ago
    Seconded. It has also ebbed and flowed. about 3 months ago it was simply awful. It's gotten a lot better recently but nowhere near good enough that I'll just trust it.
- dzhiurgis 2y ago
  Thats good enough for me. I have no intention of using my car as taxi. I'd love a reasonably priced SFSD in my country.

piva00 2y ago

Anecdotes are never a good sample. It drives well in your city but we don't know anything about how has Tesla tailored that experience to your city. Did they need to run around mapping it with their own LIDARs and feed into some learning model to provide it in your city? Because that won't scale. Did they use only camera vision? Because there's also multiple videos showing FSD not driving well at all in some cities. We cannot tell, and that's the whole problem, your anecdote that FSD works well for you is a N = 1, there are other reports on HN about others having the same experience as you, it's great it works for you, people! It doesn't mean it's been generalised and works in any city, we simply cannot know, and the longer time passes the less trust the general public has with Tesla. As another anecdote: I know at least 2 people for which FSD doesn't work well in their cities, to the point where they're afraid of turning it on even when paying full attention, and both regret paying for it. This is not a good sample either, we just don't have enough data.

andrewinardeer 2y ago
> It drives well in your city but we don't know anything about how has Tesla tailored that experience to your city. Spot on. I am keen to see how FSD manages to execute hook turns to accommodate for the trams here in Melbourne, AU. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hook_turn https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hook_turn

cameldrv 2y ago

What was promised was a robotaxi, not “keep your eyes on the road or FSD will disengage.” As it is, if you let FSD drive and don’t ever intervene, you will have frequent crashes.

nunez 2y ago
I love FSD, but this is absolutely true. It is an excellent hands-free driving system. It is NOT autonomous without supervision.
- cogman10 2y ago
  Seconded. It has also ebbed and flowed. about 3 months ago it was simply awful. It's gotten a lot better recently but nowhere near good enough that I'll just trust it.
dzhiurgis 2y ago
Thats good enough for me. I have no intention of using my car as taxi. I'd love a reasonably priced SFSD in my country.