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> this is the actual faithful steelman argument for the people who vote against this. My argument is different. There should not be any regulation except where

> this is the actual faithful steelman argument for the people who vote against this. My argument is different. There should not be any regulation except where existentially necessary (e.g. you need government to manage an army, because otherwise someone else will conquer the country, this sort of thing). Sure, most rules sound good in isolation. But in aggregate you end up with huge administration and 50% marginal tax rate and massive regulatory burden to businesses. Not able to cancel a subscription easily after you willingly enter into a relationship with some business is too tiny an issue to merit expanding the government monster.

llamaimperative 2y ago
Can you point to an example that's close to what you're describing? Only thing that comes to mind is like de facto parts of Mexico, maybe Somalia?
- admissionsguy 2y ago
  The US is the closest, but not close and it is getting further away. The lawless parts of the world you mention do not take care of the existentially necessary bits.
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    > do not take care of the existentially necessary bits. That can't be true... people exist there. Turns out your heuristic is no more defensible than anyone else's: I want the government to provide precisely the services I want.
Hasu 2y ago
> Not able to cancel a subscription easily after you willingly enter into a relationship with some business is too tiny an issue to merit expanding the government monster. So in your world, I have to protect my credit card details from all evil people in the world forever (and also somehow prevent them from acquiring companies that I've previously given my details to), because it's okay for a company to keep charging my credit card forever, even if I don't want or use the service. This is pretty much an argument for legalizing theft.
- admissionsguy 2y ago
  In my world, you generate a single purpose card number for each subscription, or block the company at the bank level. My world is all about personal responsibility.
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    > In my world, you generate a single purpose card number for each subscription, or block the company at the bank level. You know this isn't a legal way to terminate a contractual agreement with a company, right?
    - admissionsguy 2y ago
      You would presumably notify the company about the cancellation, wouldn't you. Unprofessional not to do so. However the ability of a company to not accept cancellation sent by, say, email, is not possible without the government acting to enforce such restrictions.
      - llamaimperative 2y ago
        > You would presumably notify the company about the cancellation, wouldn't you No, also not a legal method to terminate a contract. Government shouldn't enforce contract law, got it. Sounds like utopia.

llamaimperative 2y ago

Can you point to an example that's close to what you're describing? Only thing that comes to mind is like de facto parts of Mexico, maybe Somalia?

admissionsguy 2y ago
The US is the closest, but not close and it is getting further away. The lawless parts of the world you mention do not take care of the existentially necessary bits.
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  > do not take care of the existentially necessary bits. That can't be true... people exist there. Turns out your heuristic is no more defensible than anyone else's: I want the government to provide precisely the services I want.

Hasu 2y ago

> Not able to cancel a subscription easily after you willingly enter into a relationship with some business is too tiny an issue to merit expanding the government monster. So in your world, I have to protect my credit card details from all evil people in the world forever (and also somehow prevent them from acquiring companies that I've previously given my details to), because it's okay for a company to keep charging my credit card forever, even if I don't want or use the service. This is pretty much an argument for legalizing theft.

admissionsguy 2y ago
In my world, you generate a single purpose card number for each subscription, or block the company at the bank level. My world is all about personal responsibility.
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  > In my world, you generate a single purpose card number for each subscription, or block the company at the bank level. You know this isn't a legal way to terminate a contractual agreement with a company, right?
  - admissionsguy 2y ago
    You would presumably notify the company about the cancellation, wouldn't you. Unprofessional not to do so. However the ability of a company to not accept cancellation sent by, say, email, is not possible without the government acting to enforce such restrictions.
    - llamaimperative 2y ago
      > You would presumably notify the company about the cancellation, wouldn't you No, also not a legal method to terminate a contract. Government shouldn't enforce contract law, got it. Sounds like utopia.